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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here with another episode of UFO

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news network Sunday we've got a big

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panel to widely speculate about where

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UFOs come from a lot of different ideas

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that have been tossed around over the

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years and we've got a great panel to

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sort of dig in on those and go through

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the pros and the caveat to all the

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different hypotheses on where UFOs come

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from

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so I normally my co-host is with us and

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she normally handles the introductions

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but she had a last-minute upset that is

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preventing her from joining us today so

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what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna ask our

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guests to tell us each a little bit

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about themselves and do their like a

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little bit of a self introduction since

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I don't have chance information in front

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of me so let's start with a dr. irina

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scott joining us today dr. scott how are

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you and tell the folks at home a little

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bit about yourself okay

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glad to be here I have a PhD from the

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University of Missouri College of

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Veterinary Medicine had a postdoc at

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Cornell University and had been a

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professor at st. Bonaventure University

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and I had also been on the board of

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directors and MUFON several years ago

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fantastic and also joining us all the

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way from Montana dr. Michael masters our

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author of the book identified flying

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objects dr. Masters how are you today

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and that tell us a little bit about

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yourself hello dr. Masters did we lose

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them already I am back forgot to turn it

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back on

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yeah Mike masters I'm a professor of

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biological anthropology at Montana Tech

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located in Butte Montana and yeah as you

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mentioned just published a book coming

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up on about a year ago now titled

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identified flying objects a

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multidisciplinary scientific approach to

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the UFO phenomenon

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which primarily looks at this phenomenon

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in the context of time travel and human

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evolution into the future and explores

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the possibility that these craft and the

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beans reportedly inside of them are just

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us from the future investigate in their

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own past got it and rich Hoffmann all

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the way from Alabama rich heads heads up

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the Coalition for scientific UAP studies

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I believe rich tell us all about

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yourself well I've been around for a

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while with this phenomena I guess

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fifty five years got started when I was

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age thirteen in Dayton Ohio and uh had

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plenty of experiences with Blue Book and

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various other people around the the

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Dayton area move to Huntsville you know

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and basically I've been down here for

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the last ten years I'm working with the

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United States Army I'm in the art US

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Army Materiel Command I'm an IT cyber

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kinda like individual that works with

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their networks and systems and stuff

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been doing that for about twenty-five

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but I was with yeah the new pond

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actually when it was called the Midwest

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UFO network so I go quite a ways back

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with that and then I played various

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roles that was a state section director

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state director with them then I was

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moved

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I had several states down here in

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Alabama and Mississippi then eventually

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moved of his deputy director of

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Investigations with them then moved into

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a role of the director of strategic

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projects in 2017 and left basically

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those roles and we started a

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organization called the scientific

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Coalition for you you ap studies and

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that's been going strong we have about

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seventy plus odd people on board

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including Michael masters and every miss

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Scott which I'm pleased to have on board

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and we're a coalition of people that are

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looking at doing projects and studies

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and research and doing doing all the

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good stuff and it's very exciting and

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certainly last but not

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leon kirk becca joining us for the first

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time Liana hosts a ufo-related podcast

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over on Spotify and Leon tell us all

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about yourself

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well I thanks so much Frank I think

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that's probably the first time the

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phrase last but not least is very not

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much not true because I seem to be the

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only one without doctor in front of my

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name or or have some sort of huge

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credentials

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apart from entertainment but but I'm

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glad to be on the show I'm a co-host of

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a Spotify podcast called aliens like us

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it's just freshly been released in the

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last two or three weeks and the main

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host of the show is a gentleman called

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Rhys Darby who is one of New Zealand's

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funniest people and or what goes far to

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say as as one of the world's premier

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comics and actors most recently been on

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Jumanji and what-have-you and he and I

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have done a podcast for a good ten years

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before this Spotify one and have talked

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a great deal about UF ology and about

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cryptozoology and and all of these

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wonderful hidden Sciences and we're

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great big believers in it and I won't

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call ourselves amateur your follow gist

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but but certainly we love the subject

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matter and and really glad to be on the

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show with these esteemed guests thanks

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for joining us ed I will add that there

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since I got seriously into this UFO

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stuff about a decade ago I have

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completely fallen out of touch with all

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pop culture but I've actually heard of

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Rhys so he is a famous guy he's

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certainly he's out there and and and

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it's fair to say our podcast certainly

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as comedic and and we certainly take the

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lighter side of of the of the science

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but we take the science very seriously

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we just don't take ourselves very

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seriously at all I think it's fair to

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say and thanks everybody for joining us

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and obviously we're going to talk about

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the different as many as I could think

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of as many of the different ideas that

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are floating around regarding where

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these UFOs possibly come from and we do

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have an expert on one of those ideas and

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that is the the time travelers from the

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future theory and dr. masters I wanted

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to run that by some people and then the

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rest of us can basically do what we can

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to try to tear it apart I mean the ideas

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been around for a long time it certainly

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isn't something that that I contributed

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initially it's been I mean it's it's

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really been described in a lot of

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different ways both scientifically and

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I've had a tremendous number of people

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contact me since publishing the book

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talking about books they've written or

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films they've produced more in a science

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fiction capacity but the idea is

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definitely been around for a while

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obviously heard of this for a long time

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but my research is the first one that

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he's seen that takes a biological and a

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multidisciplinary approach and that's

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mostly where I come from with this is

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looking at long term evolutionary trends

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in hominid history and specifically with

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regard to our cranial facial anatomy

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where the the major trend throughout the

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last six to eight million years since we

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became bipedal meaning upright walking

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hominins is encephalization meaning an

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increase in brain size and a retraction

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of our mid and lower facial anatomy so

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if those trends continue into the future

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in the same way that they have in

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association with the development of more

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sophisticated tools and culture and

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technology we are likely to be more

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advanced potentially even have

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discovered the mechanisms with which to

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travel backward through time and we're

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very likely to have these same

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characteristics that are so ubiquitous

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Lee described in UFO encounters where

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you have the big round what we call

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globular neurocranium larger eyes a

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smaller face but still with the nose the

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mouth and the eye is all in the same

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place in the same way that they are and

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modern humans still bipedal having penet

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five digits on our hands and feet so

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just looking at these correlations

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between our evolutionary past or modern

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human forms and the distant future it

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some sort of genetic continuity through

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time so your theory is pretty well based

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on leaning pretty heavily on these

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contact the accounts no not at all

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actually I bring them up in the book and

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I mentioned in the book that they they

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can't be considered evidence in in the

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true sense of the word we can have

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eyewitness accounts be used in court but

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in the context of of science what people

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see and describe is not considered

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evidence so I make a very clear

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distinction in in approaching this

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question and bringing some of those and

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considered and I do so cautiously in the

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book but no it doesn't hinge on the

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future reality or the description of

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these forms but rather just takes these

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very dominant trends in our bio cultural

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evolution and projects them forward so

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future which I tie in that alleged

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their existence now or in the future

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the time-travel concept and it has been

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out there for you know a long time as

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long as there's been at least science

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fiction and there obviously some other

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accounts that may or may not be accurate

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as far as actually a people deal and go

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with Time Traveller's and that sort of

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thing that's been out there but a one

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issue with it and it's a it's a caveat

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and that is the universe does not hold

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still the earth is orbiting around the

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Sun at roughly 65 70 thousand miles an

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hour so if we wanted to travel six

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months into the future or six months

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into the past you'd have to go to the

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far side of the Sun which is about a

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hundred eighty six thousand miles away a

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pretty significant distance to travel in

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in space and also you're dealing with

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the issue

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the Sun the solar system itself orbiting

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around galactic center at more than

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500,000 miles an hour to travel any

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significant distance in space or in time

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a significant distance in space I have

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few times and I even addressed this

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specifically at a talk I gave at the the

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International UFO Congress down in

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Phoenix back and I think it was

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September early September because yeah

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it's definitely something to consider

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but a lot of it well for one I'd like to

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point out that these crafts by all

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accounts can go very fast so you're

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right things move if we think of it as

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three dimensions of space and then one

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dimension of time but in the context of

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the block universe which is the dominant

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model to explain time and space amongst

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physicists and in one of my favorite

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physicists who put this better than

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anybody else I've seen is named max

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tegmark he's a physicist at MIT he said

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we can portray our reality either as a

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three-dimensional place where stuff

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happens over time or in the context of

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the block universe as a four-dimensional

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place where nothing happens and in this

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the second picture change as you

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describe it with this movement is really

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just an illusion where we impose that on

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this three-dimensional space we add this

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extra dimension of time but in the

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context of the block universe there

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really isn't change there isn't movement

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and another physicist named Julian

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Barbour has been arguing this for

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decades and and so if we think of it in

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the context of the block universe enough

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if our future human descendants are

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moving through it in that context it's

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it's separate from how we see it and and

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when we talk about the movement of the

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earth around the Sun or the Sun around

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the galaxies the galaxies through space

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they all has to be relative to something

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and in the context of how time is viewed

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in the block universe there really isn't

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that relative movement and the way that

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we conceptualize is so it may simply be

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moving back

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through layers of this static

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four-dimensional universe as opposed to

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trying to chase down earth wherever it

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may be at any particular time and also

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some of the other ideas that we're going

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to at least touch on a little bit don't

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know how we're steeped anyone is in the

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subjects and some of them are not but

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I'm just gonna throw them out there

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there's a theory from a gentleman named

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Hugh Everett from I think back in the

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50s when he first developed this this

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many worlds theory where a quantum event

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occurs that basically creates another

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universe a parallel universe any

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thoughts to the possibility that in fact

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that they're travelers they're

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earthlings but they may have evolved

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quite differently and are just able to

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jump back and forth between parallel

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universes that there's still there's

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still earthlings but you know they just

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evolve differently or faster or whatever

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the case may be in the the many-worlds

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interpretation of quantum mechanics is

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certainly something to be considered and

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many would argue based on this model

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that if you go into the past it creates

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that quantum decoherence and you have a

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split where a two universes form from

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one previously cohesive universe and if

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that's the case you would have multiple

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universes that if you were able to move

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through those different dimensions you

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would be able to visit them there are

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issues though with interpreting the

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phenomenon in this way in the context of

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backward time travel because if you went

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into the past and you did something that

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created this change are you now in that

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universe where your future is different

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maybe you don't exist there or how do

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you get between these dimensions and

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honestly many people that adhere to this

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theory will be the first to admit that

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it might not even be something we can

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ever prove because we don't have any

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means with which to observe or quantify

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anything in these theoretical dimensions

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that might exist so because of those

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issues currently and we may discover far

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more about this in the future

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it may turn out that the many-worlds

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interpretation is correct and as you

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said I don't think it's mutually

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exclusive to what I'm describing because

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they would still be humans they would

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still be upright walking hominins with

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these same traits but their origins may

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be not necessarily from our specific

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future in this timeline but potentially

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a separate timeline so it's certainly

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something that should be considered and

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I'm very open to that possibility but in

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writing the book I mostly adhere to the

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block universe theory because it is the

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most widely accepted and to be honest I

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think it makes the most sense in the

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context of this phenomenon and does

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anyone else on the panel have any

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questions for dr. masters well I just I

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want to interject it and just basically

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say that I appreciate it work greatly I

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think that that's when I look at my

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decades with this thing I I've had lots

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of people who have confirmed it if you

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would that there was something about

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time travel involved if you take a look

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at the Bentwaters case and you know the

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fact that Jim Penniston was touching the

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object and allegedly got the ones and

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zeroes that were interpreted to be some

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sort of a message and indicated that the

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object that he was standing and touching

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was basically from the future the other

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thing that I'd like to interject is that

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I when I was working up and in the

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living in Dayton I had an interesting

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interaction with dr. Leon Kazarian who

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was the chief of aeromed research at the

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time at the wright-patterson and I was I

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had an interesting meeting with him and

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like a TV station in an enclosed room

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where he started mentioning the fact

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that that the beings that they were

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studying alleged or they know they the

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cosmonauts and the returning astronauts

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had basically some sort of like you know

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the changes in their body from being in

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space and we all know that from Scott

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Kelly being out there that has great

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impacts on us and apparently his team of

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scientists had project

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it out that we would start to look just

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like the little guys that we've get

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reports of now within two generations of

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living in space so I hypothetically if

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you said that well we're racing to get

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out in space and let's say we want to go

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out there and do our civilization or you

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know move around could we then not look

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like these aliens and that's what his

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team was suggesting so I keep bumping

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into this you know kind of experience

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around the fact that they may be time

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travelers it's pretty doggone logical

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when you say that you see beings coming

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out of them and people are alleging that

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they have two legs two arms and a head

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with two eyes and that type thing that

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it seems to be all connected to either

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here and that either they are us from

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the future or you could speculate and

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say that they are helping to construct

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us which is another hypothesis and that

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is basically that there they seem to be

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doing if you look at the abduction

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phenomena there is stand back at about a

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ninety five thousand foot ceiling we

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seem to be doing something along the

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lines of genetic and hybridization so

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you know could they have constructed us

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over a period of time so I I don't know

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I don't know what the answers are to

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that but it's an interesting hypothesis

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and also I can see some potential

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tie-ins in terms of these changes that

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would take place over lengthy periods of

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space travel the some of Professor Kevin

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canoes ideas about the ETS being nomadic

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and basically a spacefaring civilization

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yeah well that's what his presentation

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was at our su conference last year what

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it wasn't saying necessarily the he said

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that if we were to go out in space and

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we were to try to maneuver how do we go

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about it and the best way would be

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probably for us to be nomadic if you

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would and going large groups and you

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know if you move it you know a third of

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the speed of light or something like

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that for those people again going

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somewhere if there's not the impact of

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they're just maneuvering and existing as

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they normally would it's the people back

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on earth of course that have changed so

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you would go out with these nomadic

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missions to the nearest whatever place

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do you want to go to possibly settle and

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then you could potentially have

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eventually you know people splitting off

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in different directions and they could

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end up going out and doing the same

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thing and suddenly you could be having

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humans across the entire universe if you

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would could i interject something real

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quick sure yeah I'm certainly not gonna

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try to dominate the conversation but I

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did want to throw something in real

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quick about that is if if we do think

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about that the special relativity

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limitations and the the twins paradoxes

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it's more generally known one of the

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best ways to achieve deep space travel

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and to return to our own time because

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absolutely as we travel high-speed for

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long distance as we come back maybe

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hundreds thousands tens of thousands of

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years have passed it may be possible

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that we develop backward time travel

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technology in association with deep

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space voyages so that we can not leave

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our families and our friends and our

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entire civilization behind to go out on

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these missions so it's very possible

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that the two are developed in

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association with each other and that

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they're not mutually exclusive that

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we're going out and were exploring the

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universe but also still able to get home

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not just to our planet but also to our

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time that have somebody can share your

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data with yeah absolutely

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you know we're going on the base of

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Frank we're going on the basis of

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thinking about this in the context of

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the physics we know now oh yeah and if

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we talk if we're talking about you know

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an alien race coming from somewhere else

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they don't think like us number one

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number two we don't know how long

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they've been a civilization they could

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have way more advanced capabilities and

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a different set of knowledge and a

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different set of physics if you would I

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mean in in terms of their understanding

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and so it's hard for us to sit back and

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say that well they can't do this I can't

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do that when they could you know so it's

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dead so it's a that's one of the things

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that I love most

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about this theory and and I have to say

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Mike reading your book and I've told

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this to you I actually had audio version

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and in my headphones while I was on the

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New York Transit System

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and I found it very hard not to sort of

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really doubt

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lots of you know joy when you were

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mentioning things in there and you know

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it makes so much sense and and when you

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read your book and put the science to it

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it's one of those things that actually

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just is you know I guess puts all the

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pieces together in such a great way of

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the science of block time and and what

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is it do we have free will and and you

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know obviously or the physiological

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changes in the in the sightings that

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people see of these aliens and and the

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trajectory of us turning into them I

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think for me though as well the one

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thing that I really love about this

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theory is that it gives us hope you know

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right in the middle of this pandemic and

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looking at all of the the the world

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heating up and are we going to survive

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well if this is the case if they are

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from the future that's fantastic and and

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and also with that you know if the world

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is going to end and we do figure time

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travel out to some degree if we can time

549
00:24:42,980 --> 00:24:39,520
travel a population back in time and

550
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:42,990
repopulate the earth before we actually

551
00:24:49,220 --> 00:24:46,510
exist theoretically we can keep living

552
00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:49,230
forever even if the world does explode

553
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:53,350
which is a nice little so I like to put

554
00:24:57,390 --> 00:24:55,690
in my head I've never even thought about

555
00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:57,400
that but that makes a lot of sense and

556
00:25:02,760 --> 00:24:59,340
and maybe if it already happened before

557
00:25:05,730 --> 00:25:02,770
we we have done that and we get this

558
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:05,740
sense that we were created if there was

559
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,290
some sort of mass extinction and well

560
00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:10,240
we're patting each other on the back for

561
00:25:18,420 --> 00:25:15,100
things like your podcast both the

562
00:25:19,650 --> 00:25:18,430
cryptid factor and aliens like us your

563
00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:19,660
new one

564
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,600
you guys tackle a lot of these and one

565
00:25:26,370 --> 00:25:24,640
thing you mentioned on a recent one I

566
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:26,380
think I told you before that when I was

567
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:28,090
my book to earth I think we listen to

568
00:25:31,770 --> 00:25:29,890
probably 20 or 30 episodes of the

569
00:25:34,590 --> 00:25:31,780
cryptid factor you just laughed

570
00:25:36,420 --> 00:25:34,600
hysterically at all of them but it also

571
00:25:37,860 --> 00:25:36,430
you guys bring up a lot of really

572
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:37,870
thought-provoking ideas and one you

573
00:25:41,970 --> 00:25:40,450
brought up recently too is and and and

574
00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:41,980
others have talked about this as well

575
00:25:47,820 --> 00:25:44,380
but the transfer of information you know

576
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:47,830
not just bringing people back or but but

577
00:25:51,690 --> 00:25:49,570
the transfer of information from the

578
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:51,700
future to the past and how that may help

579
00:25:58,110 --> 00:25:55,080
create some of those same technologies

580
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:58,120
yeah and I have to say that the the

581
00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:01,600
science as well of time travel and and I

582
00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:04,990
love having this I ruin too many really

583
00:26:11,490 --> 00:26:09,280
great dinner parties this theory and

584
00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:11,500
when I love it when people say yeah but

585
00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:14,440
the science of time travel is ridiculous

586
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:17,830
it's not possible and in the same breath

587
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:20,530
I'd love to say well the the science of

588
00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:23,640
intergalactic travel is just as

589
00:26:28,650 --> 00:26:26,380
improbably as time travel you know

590
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:28,660
traveling from one galaxy to another we

591
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:30,610
don't know how to do that yet we can't

592
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:33,520
we can't figure out how to get ourselves

593
00:26:39,270 --> 00:26:36,130
those you know you know thousands

594
00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:39,280
millions of light years away so that is

595
00:26:44,910 --> 00:26:41,260
just as impossible in my mind as the

596
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,920
science of time travel so you know I was

597
00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:47,440
on ER I was on a panel at MUFON and dr.

598
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:49,660
Scott you were actually on this panel as

599
00:26:54,210 --> 00:26:52,330
well maybe you remember this somewhat

600
00:26:56,790 --> 00:26:54,220
contentious exchange but there was a

601
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:56,800
fella sitting next to me and I just you

602
00:27:01,080 --> 00:26:58,330
know briefly toward the beginning

603
00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:01,090
mentioned this idea and he grabbed the

604
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:03,700
microphone said well according to Michio

605
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:06,010
Kaku time travels impossible and then

606
00:27:12,090 --> 00:27:08,170
set the microphone down out of my reach

607
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:12,100
so I couldn't even respond to it but I

608
00:27:16,860 --> 00:27:14,410
don't know like from from that very

609
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:16,870
moment it was just this this like well

610
00:27:20,610 --> 00:27:18,370
we're not even talk about this because

611
00:27:22,770 --> 00:27:20,620
it's impossible but we should consider

612
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:22,780
everything and especially because he's

613
00:27:27,660 --> 00:27:24,730
wrong and I looked it up Michio Kaku

614
00:27:29,850 --> 00:27:27,670
never said that in fact a proponent of

615
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:29,860
the fact that will someday be able to

616
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:31,690
time-travel do you remember that arena

617
00:27:40,350 --> 00:27:38,530
yeah I remember it it seems kind of

618
00:27:42,539 --> 00:27:40,360
complicated me because

619
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:42,549
it seems like a lot of things like

620
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:45,520
people say they see an orb and it

621
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:48,970
changes into a being or it changes into

622
00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:52,210
something else and that makes it seem

623
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:54,340
more complex and time-travel than me

624
00:27:59,940 --> 00:27:56,410
because it seems like something might

625
00:28:01,530 --> 00:27:59,950
influence that maybe we're so simple

626
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:01,540
our little minds are so simple that they

627
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:03,490
can make us see anything they want us to

628
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:04,090
see

629
00:28:09,539 --> 00:28:06,730
[Music]

630
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:09,549
but let's get there some of these other

631
00:28:17,789 --> 00:28:15,490
ideas out on the table here and I was

632
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:17,799
just listening to an interview by Terry

633
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:20,320
Lovelace and he said that exact same

634
00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:23,679
thing that they they were able to give

635
00:28:27,810 --> 00:28:25,929
him the impression that they were like

636
00:28:29,549 --> 00:28:27,820
little circus monkeys or other people

637
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:29,559
have described Disney characters where

638
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:32,650
they they actually supposedly or I don't

639
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,330
obviously we don't know how this works

640
00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:36,640
yet but get into our brains and then

641
00:28:40,830 --> 00:28:38,860
show us an image that they think will be

642
00:28:44,430 --> 00:28:40,840
more comforting to us to not freak us

643
00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:44,440
out and and cause all kinds of undue

644
00:28:49,770 --> 00:28:47,070
stress so I definitely think that that's

645
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:49,780
that that's happening and something we

646
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:52,090
should consider the Disney character

647
00:29:01,200 --> 00:28:58,720
would be the wrong choice for me well

648
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,210
right now we've got a quote from Alan

649
00:29:06,419 --> 00:29:03,760
Hynek that I'm gonna read really briefly

650
00:29:08,850 --> 00:29:06,429
here I hold it entirely possible that a

651
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:08,860
technology exists which encompasses both

652
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:11,049
the physical and the psychic

653
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:13,510
psychic the material and the mental

654
00:29:17,370 --> 00:29:15,280
there are stars that are millions of

655
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:17,380
years older than the Sun there may be a

656
00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:19,450
civilization that it's millions of years

657
00:29:23,850 --> 00:29:21,820
more advanced than man's we have gone

658
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:23,860
from a Kitty Hawk to the moon in some

659
00:29:28,830 --> 00:29:26,110
seventy years but it's possible that a

660
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:28,840
million year old civilization may know

661
00:29:36,090 --> 00:29:31,570
something that we don't i hypothesize a

662
00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:36,100
m and M and M a technology encompassing

663
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:39,040
the mental and material realms the

664
00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:43,410
psychic realms so mysterious to us today

665
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:47,230
may be an ordinary part of an advanced

666
00:29:57,299 --> 00:29:54,539
yeah we're probably really primitive

667
00:29:58,740 --> 00:29:57,309
compared to I mean earth is about four

668
00:30:01,619 --> 00:29:58,750
billion years old in the universe is

669
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:01,629
about thirteen billion and stars have

670
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:06,250
come and going and coming so I imagine

671
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,090
you know a lot of beings can do it life

672
00:30:16,049 --> 00:30:13,360
forms can do a lot that we can't we do

673
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:16,059
here a lot of accounts from folks that

674
00:30:22,499 --> 00:30:19,450
seem to indicate at least from their

675
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:22,509
perspective that a lot of this contact

676
00:30:27,389 --> 00:30:25,600
communication is the result of this sort

677
00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:27,399
of psychic ability that the Hynek

678
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:30,940
touches upon and one thing again like

679
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:32,529
you were saying dr. masters we should

680
00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:35,289
stay open-minded that I'm not so sure

681
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:38,980
that we should grab hold of that to

682
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:41,110
firmly and should at least be open to

683
00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:43,210
the possibility that some of these

684
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:46,870
contact these are experiencing advanced

685
00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:49,570
technology and wonder if anyone wants to

686
00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:55,000
touch on that as a possibility you're

687
00:30:59,039 --> 00:30:56,950
saying that they're in touch with

688
00:31:05,669 --> 00:30:59,049
advanced technology I'm struggling with

689
00:31:08,369 --> 00:31:05,679
that what I'm saying is that that a lot

690
00:31:10,289 --> 00:31:08,379
of folks are of the opinion that these

691
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:10,299
ETS are whether their us from the future

692
00:31:12,899 --> 00:31:12,490
or intergalactic or whatever the case

693
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:12,909
may be

694
00:31:18,419 --> 00:31:15,370
possess these extraordinary psychic

695
00:31:20,249 --> 00:31:18,429
powers when perhaps they should be a

696
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:20,259
little bit more open to the possibility

697
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:22,570
that this is simply technology that

698
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:25,500
allows for this kind of communication oh

699
00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:30,399
I guess I'm confused because we were

700
00:31:35,009 --> 00:31:32,200
talking about origins if we think of an

701
00:31:36,889 --> 00:31:35,019
origin but we're talking about the fact

702
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:36,899
that you know that's you're using some

703
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:40,000
type of technology to be able to what

704
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:47,110
project their presence here was yes I've

705
00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:52,960
never heard this idea I know I'm trying

706
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:54,460
to bring something a little bit

707
00:32:00,690 --> 00:31:58,210
different you know but oh sorry I

708
00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:00,700
actually did a talk about this and in my

709
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:02,409
book a little bit because that that

710
00:32:08,370 --> 00:32:05,770
telepathy aspect is fascinating too

711
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:08,380
and and something that's described in

712
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,410
almost all instances of of close contact

713
00:32:15,330 --> 00:32:13,600
and without even seeing the beams people

714
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:15,340
claim to have downloads or they claim to

715
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:18,010
have conscious interaction with these

716
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:20,110
things that they're not even seen and I

717
00:32:24,090 --> 00:32:22,510
try to address that in the book whether

718
00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:24,100
it's some sort of technology that

719
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:26,440
they're using or if it's an aspect of

720
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:29,250
our brains itself that it's some

721
00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:31,690
conscious connection where we are able

722
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:33,190
to communicate not just thoughts but

723
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:35,110
feelings to in a sense of empathy so

724
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:37,330
many people that are abducted come away

725
00:32:42,390 --> 00:32:40,240
with it describing this insane level of

726
00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:42,400
empathy toward fellow humans and just

727
00:32:47,550 --> 00:32:44,470
this this new way of perceiving the

728
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:47,560
world around them and I obviously can't

729
00:32:53,390 --> 00:32:51,250
know I mean until we exist in that stage

730
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:53,400
in the future or we meet

731
00:32:57,150 --> 00:32:54,970
extraterrestrials if they're from a

732
00:32:59,730 --> 00:32:57,160
different planet who have this ability

733
00:33:02,490 --> 00:32:59,740
we can't know but what I think is the

734
00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:02,500
fact that we they can also understand

735
00:33:07,290 --> 00:33:05,380
what we're saying and we don't have that

736
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:07,300
technology we don't have anything in our

737
00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:07,930
brains

738
00:33:12,660 --> 00:33:10,870
maybe indicates that it is just a

739
00:33:15,810 --> 00:33:12,670
conscious connection and energy

740
00:33:17,790 --> 00:33:15,820
connection between the energy of our

741
00:33:20,610 --> 00:33:17,800
brains but again I don't know I'm just

742
00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:20,620
speculating we're here I think it's a

743
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:25,780
really good reason why again it's in my

744
00:33:31,890 --> 00:33:27,970
head it makes so much more sense that

745
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:31,900
they these beings do come from our own

746
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:35,050
world our own earth and somewhere in the

747
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,220
fact that you know being able to

748
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:41,200
understand the science of our brain and

749
00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:43,810
effort as through telepathy to be able

750
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:46,270
to be connected in that way for the

751
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:48,370
language to be the same to be able to

752
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:50,890
know how to be able to communicate to us

753
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:53,530
and that way whether that's through time

754
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:55,450
or whether that's you know just purely

755
00:34:00,540 --> 00:33:58,090
somebody you know that physical being

756
00:34:02,210 --> 00:34:00,550
coming back in time and actually being

757
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:02,220
here and being able to talk

758
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:05,170
telepathically I just find it so hard to

759
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:08,050
think about being coming from a

760
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,450
completely different existence and

761
00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:12,159
coming over and figuring that stuff out

762
00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:15,190
but then again I'm a big proponent of

763
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:17,080
the the fact that we are only here

764
00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:18,570
because we've been

765
00:34:25,820 --> 00:34:23,190
here by by aliens of using earth as a

766
00:34:28,370 --> 00:34:25,830
little bit of a science lab if you like

767
00:34:33,110 --> 00:34:28,380
so I just completely under my argument

768
00:34:36,740 --> 00:34:33,120
and that too I mean the language aspect

769
00:34:40,130 --> 00:34:36,750
of it and if they are trying to mask

770
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:40,140
their their true identity or if they're

771
00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:43,170
trying to make their abductions of us

772
00:34:48,020 --> 00:34:44,910
less horrific to us you know we talked

773
00:34:50,390 --> 00:34:48,030
about Terry Lovelace as example or

774
00:34:52,670 --> 00:34:50,400
trying to implant different figures but

775
00:34:56,630 --> 00:34:52,680
yeah I mean they you would think maybe a

776
00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:56,640
default might be a hockey mask to hide

777
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:59,010
your face but that would just freak

778
00:35:02,210 --> 00:35:00,420
people out even more they'd start

779
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:02,220
thinking about Chainsaw massacres and

780
00:35:06,110 --> 00:35:04,200
whatnot so you give them beyond the

781
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:06,120
language but like the way to interact

782
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:08,040
with people at different periods of the

783
00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:11,640
pastor imagery or things that they

784
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:13,140
conjure up in our minds they would have

785
00:35:17,780 --> 00:35:16,500
to have some knowledge of our culture in

786
00:35:19,850 --> 00:35:17,790
order to be able to do that I would

787
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:19,860
think and I think that there's plenty of

788
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:20,850
evidence for that

789
00:35:25,850 --> 00:35:23,730
I mean Jacques valets book wonders in

790
00:35:29,090 --> 00:35:25,860
the sky is documented every culture on

791
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,100
the planet and over a period history and

792
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:31,200
we've had interactions with these things

793
00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:35,400
all along and so why would I think that

794
00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:37,320
if we've had this interaction over this

795
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,580
long period of time that they really

796
00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:41,280
wouldn't understand us and then when you

797
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,060
take a look at actual cases like you

798
00:35:50,540 --> 00:35:47,520
know I was struck by the fact that that

799
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:50,550
there seemed to be an understanding of a

800
00:35:54,980 --> 00:35:53,370
lot of things with a nimitz case ah in a

801
00:35:57,860 --> 00:35:54,990
good example would be the fact that

802
00:36:00,410 --> 00:35:57,870
number one that the object decided to do

803
00:36:03,530 --> 00:36:00,420
it detected the presence of the aircraft

804
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:03,540
coming down swooping down toward and

805
00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:05,640
then it started the maneuver up and it

806
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:07,140
was doing the circling thing and then

807
00:36:11,980 --> 00:36:09,570
eventually when he caught it off halfway

808
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:11,990
across and just cut the circle in half

809
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:15,240
that thing decided then to interact and

810
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:16,890
where did it go it went to the cap point

811
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:19,650
and that it looked knew where the cap

812
00:36:26,570 --> 00:36:22,560
point was that it was obviously paying

813
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:26,580
attention to where that that was and was

814
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:28,410
indicating that it's well aware of it

815
00:36:31,660 --> 00:36:30,660
and numeira was it sort of a sort of a

816
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:31,670
random

817
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:35,310
rendezvous point for these pilot is how

818
00:36:40,610 --> 00:36:37,770
did they know yeah but I mean when you

819
00:36:42,590 --> 00:36:40,620
look at again documented UFO cases you

820
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:42,600
see that there's these indications of

821
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:45,000
them completely aware of what we're

822
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:46,890
doing I mean even look at the nuke cases

823
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:48,450
you know they're hanging over there

824
00:36:53,050 --> 00:36:51,480
they're knocking things out and stuff

825
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:53,060
like that they know about all that stuff

826
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:56,760
wherever they are um if you would and so

827
00:37:02,600 --> 00:36:59,400
there's a complete indication that they

828
00:37:05,870 --> 00:37:02,610
know a lot about us nor do we want to

829
00:37:08,330 --> 00:37:05,880
give them credit and would does that

830
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:08,340
surprise me if they're doing these on

831
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:10,890
board exams and having abduction it's at

832
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:12,990
what they're doing that there's this

833
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:15,900
awareness of us and our language and our

834
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:19,290
culture and our destructing ability and

835
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,780
I'm just even wondering what happens to

836
00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:23,520
them if they abduct somebody with the

837
00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:32,550
corona virus isn't that what Will Smith

838
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:35,060
takes up onto the spaceship for

839
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:42,210
Independence Day right quarantine as

840
00:37:47,570 --> 00:37:45,240
well well when we work with chimpanzees

841
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:47,580
and other primates we have to wear

842
00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:50,610
protective masks and there's there's

843
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:52,200
definitely the possibility of disease

844
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:53,910
transmission between even closely

845
00:37:58,300 --> 00:37:55,800
related species that aren't the same

846
00:38:00,200 --> 00:37:58,310
species but if if we're able to

847
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:00,210
interbreed with them or there is a

848
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:02,730
hybridization program it indicates that

849
00:38:07,310 --> 00:38:04,290
we are the same species by the

850
00:38:10,610 --> 00:38:07,320
biological classification of species

851
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:10,620
concept because you you have to have two

852
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,570
species that can not only reproduce but

853
00:38:15,740 --> 00:38:14,160
produce viable offspring meaning they

854
00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:15,750
can reproduce themselves and that's been

855
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:18,390
the long-standing definition of a

856
00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:21,330
species so if if we are able to

857
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:24,540
reproduce with them it's absolutely

858
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:26,310
certain that we'd be able to share

859
00:38:29,780 --> 00:38:28,200
diseases and it is definitely something

860
00:38:32,330 --> 00:38:29,790
that they would have to be aware of not

861
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:32,340
just giving them to us but us giving

862
00:38:39,350 --> 00:38:36,060
them to them well we we do see these

863
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:39,360
consistent behaviors reported in UFO

864
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:41,730
cases where you know it's sort of like

865
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:43,410
gather they're flying around they're

866
00:38:48,190 --> 00:38:45,170
sort of hanging around

867
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:48,200
restricted air spaces military

868
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:50,280
technology they're sort of hanging

869
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:52,980
around Here I am Here I am and it seems

870
00:38:57,650 --> 00:38:54,930
to me that they're playing these chase

871
00:39:03,320 --> 00:38:57,660
games which is kind of basic animal

872
00:39:06,620 --> 00:39:03,330
behavior yeah yeah I think it's a more

873
00:39:09,110 --> 00:39:06,630
than animal a little more intelligent

874
00:39:11,180 --> 00:39:09,120
they're a little bit more but still it's

875
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:11,190
a it's it's very basic behavior I mean

876
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:14,280
animals will seek to play the chase game

877
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:17,010
with you dogs will do it and there's

878
00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:20,450
videos all over the internet with

879
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:23,220
animals sometimes in the same species

880
00:39:27,620 --> 00:39:25,110
sometimes of different species that's

881
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,630
just a basic kind of playing around and

882
00:39:31,820 --> 00:39:29,040
playing with each other it's these

883
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:31,830
little chase games that they play it

884
00:39:36,740 --> 00:39:33,450
could very well be to try to get

885
00:39:39,350 --> 00:39:36,750
information to see what what abilities

886
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:39,360
we have with our aircraft at any

887
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:42,690
particular time I would say that we're

888
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:44,310
also doing that with the Russians and

889
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:46,050
the Russians are doing it to us oh yeah

890
00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:52,770
absolutely we do that and and especially

891
00:39:58,250 --> 00:39:55,740
when we run this show our superiority if

892
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,260
you would or or to detect your

893
00:40:03,830 --> 00:40:00,000
capability or something like that and

894
00:40:06,140 --> 00:40:03,840
and so but you know we were speculating

895
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:06,150
on possible origins and when we take a

896
00:40:11,060 --> 00:40:07,440
look at these kinds of things

897
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:11,070
thank you know as an one possible origin

898
00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:15,060
is that it indeed is us but it's in the

899
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,630
current timeframe and we basically have

900
00:40:22,850 --> 00:40:20,880
captured and re-engineered or done

901
00:40:26,330 --> 00:40:22,860
something along the lines of figuring

902
00:40:28,610 --> 00:40:26,340
out how they fly and it's in some body

903
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:28,620
on the planet doesn't have to be us it

904
00:40:32,690 --> 00:40:30,330
could be the Chinese could be somebody

905
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:32,700
that has had there's been plenty of

906
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:35,160
crashes they've got one day figuring out

907
00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:38,130
how to fly it and are doing you know

908
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:40,260
using it to their advantage militarily I

909
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:43,170
mean that's just as plausible well that

910
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:44,850
is one theory and I'll bring this up now

911
00:40:49,850 --> 00:40:46,320
I don't know if anyone has any

912
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:49,860
particular knowledge of it but the

913
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:52,050
author MACT tönnies before he passed

914
00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:55,710
away sadly he died a few months after I

915
00:41:00,530 --> 00:40:57,900
was just a few months after I got sea

916
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:00,540
into this but he wrote a book called the

917
00:41:06,980 --> 00:41:04,530
crypto terrestrials and that was a his

918
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:06,990
theory is basically that not only are

919
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:09,210
they they us are they uh so the

920
00:41:13,490 --> 00:41:11,400
earthbound but they're within our

921
00:41:15,830 --> 00:41:13,500
timeframe and that somehow they

922
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:15,840
developed this advanced society and they

923
00:41:20,570 --> 00:41:18,450
have these capabilities and they are

924
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:20,580
just right here on earth more or less

925
00:41:25,330 --> 00:41:22,770
right next to us and I was wondering if

926
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:25,340
anyone has any thoughts on that idea

927
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:28,850
there is familiar with that max work

928
00:41:34,670 --> 00:41:32,040
with Max but yes that's I mean what I

929
00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:34,680
mean if you're saying that they could be

930
00:41:37,850 --> 00:41:36,270
here from another planet that they're

931
00:41:41,780 --> 00:41:37,860
living basically underwater or something

932
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:41,790
like that and they're using Max as best

933
00:41:46,580 --> 00:41:43,890
as I understand it now this is max work

934
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:46,590
not mine but as best as I understand it

935
00:41:54,590 --> 00:41:50,480
his idea was that they are a simply a

936
00:41:56,540 --> 00:41:54,600
separate race that they are living among

937
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:56,550
us now and that they're they're advanced

938
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:58,530
but they're here on earth they are

939
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:01,920
essentially earthlings and that that

940
00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:03,930
that was his idea and I was wondering if

941
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:07,260
anyone took a as taking a look at it or

942
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:09,810
knows much about it I've never looked at

943
00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:11,220
that but where would they be doing all

944
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:12,920
the development work and everything else

945
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:18,960
III guess you have to read the body join

946
00:42:25,940 --> 00:42:23,610
us I think he knows a new Mac it's

947
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:25,950
really well too things like the you know

948
00:42:32,660 --> 00:42:29,390
the hidden bases and what-have-you below

949
00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:32,670
Antarctica and potentially even you know

950
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:35,580
the the you know people living in the

951
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:37,370
center of Earth and what-have-you and

952
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:39,300
you know what was that they're looking

953
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:41,610
for when he was going and looking for

954
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:43,740
these people over Guardian in the middle

955
00:42:47,660 --> 00:42:45,690
center of the world you know it's it's

956
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,670
really quite plausible there you know

957
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:49,680
maybe they do have this additional

958
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:52,250
technology to be able to love

959
00:42:57,830 --> 00:42:55,110
subterranean and down there and watching

960
00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:57,840
us up here you know with our viruses and

961
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:01,380
might have you so like you know there's

962
00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:03,690
I think there is some credibility there

963
00:43:08,180 --> 00:43:06,150
I'm really quite keen to buy the book

964
00:43:11,339 --> 00:43:08,190
I'm I'm on Amazon already it's a great

965
00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:13,259
but but I certainly think that leads

966
00:43:18,539 --> 00:43:15,640
really well I mean regardless of where

967
00:43:20,370 --> 00:43:18,549
they come from clearly this is showing

968
00:43:23,419 --> 00:43:20,380
all of this you know the Nimitz case

969
00:43:27,149 --> 00:43:23,429
that all of the the mind control of the

970
00:43:30,749 --> 00:43:27,159
telepathic abilities really is leading

971
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:30,759
to only one plausibility that they are

972
00:43:35,539 --> 00:43:33,369
way more advanced than us and therefore

973
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,549
it's hard not to feel all the time like

974
00:43:40,949 --> 00:43:38,319
you're some kind of lab experiment or

975
00:43:43,169 --> 00:43:40,959
we're some kind of nursery earth is some

976
00:43:45,149 --> 00:43:43,179
kind of place where these people are

977
00:43:48,149 --> 00:43:45,159
checking in on us and watching us from

978
00:43:50,789 --> 00:43:48,159
afar and and you know treating us very

979
00:43:53,069 --> 00:43:50,799
much as some kind of scientific

980
00:43:55,169 --> 00:43:53,079
experiment because if it wasn't that

981
00:43:57,149 --> 00:43:55,179
they would make contact and they would

982
00:43:59,099 --> 00:43:57,159
talk to us and they would go hey we've

983
00:44:01,499 --> 00:43:59,109
just it's been a long journey just come

984
00:44:03,809 --> 00:44:01,509
all the way from you know a few million

985
00:44:05,609 --> 00:44:03,819
light years away whew we can I have a

986
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:05,619
drink and let's sit down and chat about

987
00:44:11,339 --> 00:44:07,569
that place on the other side of the

988
00:44:13,979 --> 00:44:11,349
solar system but they're not doing that

989
00:44:17,009 --> 00:44:13,989
they're keeping very much you know at

990
00:44:19,289 --> 00:44:17,019
arm's length and that is really the

991
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:19,299
thing that's fascinating right because

992
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:21,369
all those sci-fi movies where they land

993
00:44:26,729 --> 00:44:23,650
Mars Attacks and all these kind of ideas

994
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:26,739
of them landing and and saying take me

995
00:44:32,219 --> 00:44:29,529
to your leader isn't happening you gotta

996
00:44:33,539 --> 00:44:32,229
ask why is that not happening yeah and

997
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:33,549
why aren't they killing us

998
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:34,839
why aren't they taking all of our stuff

999
00:44:39,749 --> 00:44:37,839
there's so much more advanced than us I

1000
00:44:41,669 --> 00:44:39,759
had a conversation with Chris Mellon

1001
00:44:44,279 --> 00:44:41,679
about this not too long ago and his his

1002
00:44:45,919 --> 00:44:44,289
big thing is are we in danger and given

1003
00:44:48,809 --> 00:44:45,929
us background that certainly makes sense

1004
00:44:52,019 --> 00:44:48,819
but but the fact that they run circles

1005
00:44:53,489 --> 00:44:52,029
around us technologically and clearly

1006
00:44:55,499 --> 00:44:53,499
are far more advanced and they haven't

1007
00:44:58,049 --> 00:44:55,509
and they seem to be just studying us

1008
00:44:59,699 --> 00:44:58,059
like Lee and Leon just pointed out it

1009
00:45:02,130 --> 00:44:59,709
would seem to indicate that yeah it is

1010
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:02,140
more about collecting data and doing

1011
00:45:06,989 --> 00:45:05,169
research than it is trying to to really

1012
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:06,999
get to know us or introduce themselves

1013
00:45:14,329 --> 00:45:11,650
or take all of our resources yeah I be I

1014
00:45:17,099 --> 00:45:14,339
mean if you take a look at a lot of the

1015
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:17,109
different kinds of reports you get of

1016
00:45:22,380 --> 00:45:20,319
objects and stuff like that it to me it

1017
00:45:25,350 --> 00:45:22,390
indicates more often

1018
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:25,360
something similar to a drone if you

1019
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:29,290
would doing and especially some of the

1020
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:31,330
smaller objects that are reported I mean

1021
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:32,650
there are some that are like baseball

1022
00:45:37,890 --> 00:45:34,330
and basketball and everything else sighs

1023
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:37,900
um so if you put that in the context of

1024
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:40,180
what we're doing with even our own space

1025
00:45:45,630 --> 00:45:42,130
travel we're finding out that whoa wait

1026
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:45,640
a minute there's a huge logistics trail

1027
00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:47,650
or tail you got to put on in order to be

1028
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:49,750
able to get humans to survive in space

1029
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:52,210
um you're gonna have food you gotta

1030
00:45:55,830 --> 00:45:53,440
water you could have all these other

1031
00:45:57,420 --> 00:45:55,840
things and we go to great lengths to be

1032
00:46:00,060 --> 00:45:57,430
able to create these things but I mean

1033
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:00,070
it's very easy for us to send unmanned

1034
00:46:05,790 --> 00:46:02,410
types of things out through the universe

1035
00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:05,800
if you would and to go and look at

1036
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:07,960
things and see what they're like and if

1037
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:09,490
you had a capability where you could

1038
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:11,110
have like a drone if you would that

1039
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:12,900
would be moving around on Mars

1040
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:16,210
you'd have now us doing that we would

1041
00:46:20,670 --> 00:46:18,400
see if I were on Mars I would be seeing

1042
00:46:23,370 --> 00:46:20,680
these objects flying around and watching

1043
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:23,380
things and stuff so I mean it's very

1044
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,690
likely that you know if you want to go

1045
00:46:30,180 --> 00:46:27,280
out and find out what's out there

1046
00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:30,190
just very quickly send various kinds of

1047
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:31,840
intelligent machines off in different

1048
00:46:37,740 --> 00:46:34,710
directions and have them go and do that

1049
00:46:42,450 --> 00:46:37,750
and I tend to be one of these people

1050
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:42,460
that that looked at just the UFO and the

1051
00:46:49,710 --> 00:46:45,850
UFO reports and try to just distinguish

1052
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:49,720
the UFO cases where you've got an

1053
00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:51,970
individual that or a being if you would

1054
00:46:57,330 --> 00:46:54,670
it was next to the craft or coming out

1055
00:46:59,550 --> 00:46:57,340
of the craft and there's a holistically

1056
00:47:02,520 --> 00:46:59,560
different looking kinds of beings if you

1057
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,530
would then then what we typically think

1058
00:47:07,710 --> 00:47:04,960
of in the abduction cases with greys and

1059
00:47:10,770 --> 00:47:07,720
so then you come back and question well

1060
00:47:13,290 --> 00:47:10,780
is this you know is the abduction

1061
00:47:14,970 --> 00:47:13,300
phenomena which hasn't really been is

1062
00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:14,980
starting to get better in terms of

1063
00:47:21,540 --> 00:47:18,280
discipline and this hard one to to look

1064
00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:21,550
at scientifically I guess but you know

1065
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:23,350
is it is it one of these things were

1066
00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:24,850
that's a whole other kind of like

1067
00:47:28,290 --> 00:47:26,920
experience is that is that the

1068
00:47:32,250 --> 00:47:28,300
consciousness thing you're talking about

1069
00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:32,260
is that um you know somehow manipulating

1070
00:47:35,790 --> 00:47:34,990
the mind is that something like that

1071
00:47:37,650 --> 00:47:35,800
which

1072
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,660
holistically different than the object

1073
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,240
that's flying around yeah and in the

1074
00:47:44,970 --> 00:47:42,880
context of the technology - and looking

1075
00:47:47,220 --> 00:47:44,980
at the UFOs I mean some of these these

1076
00:47:50,220 --> 00:47:47,230
beans I'm using air quotes which you

1077
00:47:52,050 --> 00:47:50,230
can't see but yeah interject air quotes

1078
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:52,060
in your mind right now I guess but if

1079
00:47:56,670 --> 00:47:54,370
some of these beans are just artificial

1080
00:47:58,020 --> 00:47:56,680
intelligence and it's AI that's doing

1081
00:48:00,330 --> 00:47:58,030
the heavy lifting and it's putting

1082
00:48:02,250 --> 00:48:00,340
themselves at risk because I mean

1083
00:48:04,410 --> 00:48:02,260
clearly they're very good at paralyzing

1084
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:04,420
us and making us unable to fight back or

1085
00:48:08,940 --> 00:48:06,910
anything like that but how much of it

1086
00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:08,950
yeah just the day-to-day operations is

1087
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:10,780
artificial intelligence piloting these

1088
00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:14,200
sophisticated flying machines that gets

1089
00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:16,270
around the g-forces and things like that

1090
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:21,640
which would crush you know time -

1091
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:22,690
because they're good and they're

1092
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:24,490
reference frame be a very slow

1093
00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:26,650
acceleration but in our reference frame

1094
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:28,360
we see it as this instantaneous

1095
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:30,850
acceleration so in the context of time

1096
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:33,520
it may help explain that as well one of

1097
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:35,530
the things we looked at even with the

1098
00:48:40,830 --> 00:48:37,810
Nimitz case if you did have a craft that

1099
00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:40,840
let's say hypothetically could move with

1100
00:48:46,940 --> 00:48:43,990
these incredible speeds the kind of

1101
00:48:49,140 --> 00:48:46,950
wheat bill would fall apart right

1102
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:49,150
basically disintegrate you know it

1103
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:50,800
couldn't it couldn't deal with that and

1104
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:54,310
so if you you're talking about a kind of

1105
00:49:00,480 --> 00:48:57,490
like technology whereby you know you

1106
00:49:03,660 --> 00:49:00,490
lose your inertial mass you're being

1107
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:03,670
basically you you uh you can maneuver

1108
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:06,130
through and seemingly move through our

1109
00:49:11,070 --> 00:49:08,530
atmosphere without any kind of like heat

1110
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:11,080
buildup resistance no sonic booms

1111
00:49:17,550 --> 00:49:14,530
I mean Oh what are you doing are you

1112
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:17,560
manipulating space and time the fabric

1113
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:21,040
of space and time to do that um it's

1114
00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:23,050
it's fascinating to contemplate this

1115
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,790
thing because it's I think that that's

1116
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:26,800
eventually where we're gonna probably

1117
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:28,930
end up going because it's hard to get

1118
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,370
data on this subject and you know UFO

1119
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:36,160
cases you can we're starting to get now

1120
00:49:41,730 --> 00:49:37,990
where we can start to see these things

1121
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:41,740
in the in other spectral ranges if you

1122
00:49:44,740 --> 00:49:43,870
would in other words infrared as opposed

1123
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:44,750
to it

1124
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:46,730
and so the fact that we're now starting

1125
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:49,010
to see them in the infrared helps to

1126
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:51,710
understand a little bit more uh what do

1127
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:53,330
they look like in other aspects of the

1128
00:49:59,380 --> 00:49:57,050
spectrum and and is that cloaking - are

1129
00:50:01,810 --> 00:49:59,390
they cloaking themselves in between 400

1130
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,820
and 700 nanometers of visual the visual

1131
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:04,160
light spectrum and we only recognize

1132
00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:05,890
them because you're right all of these

1133
00:50:10,450 --> 00:50:08,030
dashboard cams it's probably not the

1134
00:50:12,910 --> 00:50:10,460
right word for it but the ones that the

1135
00:50:14,590 --> 00:50:12,920
pilots are picking up it's it's always

1136
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,600
in the infrared it would seem so are

1137
00:50:18,310 --> 00:50:16,160
they just cloaking themselves in the

1138
00:50:22,450 --> 00:50:18,320
visual light spectrum - to hide in plain

1139
00:50:24,190 --> 00:50:22,460
sight essentially correct and the other

1140
00:50:26,530 --> 00:50:24,200
thing is that we've got now the advanced

1141
00:50:29,170 --> 00:50:26,540
kind of like radars which seemingly are

1142
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:29,180
helping us to detect them which is great

1143
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:33,170
on the at flare and some of the the more

1144
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:35,330
like the aegis and stuff like that we're

1145
00:50:40,060 --> 00:50:38,570
starting to pick pick them up maybe as

1146
00:50:42,490 --> 00:50:40,070
we continue to develop our own

1147
00:50:44,380 --> 00:50:42,500
technology tools if you would that we'll

1148
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:44,390
start to see that there's quite a bit

1149
00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:48,050
more that we don't know yeah and it's

1150
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,790
it's fascinating to watch as this

1151
00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:51,920
happens because you know we've all seen

1152
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:54,230
the blurry the blurry photographs that

1153
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:56,930
we get you know passed around and and

1154
00:51:01,300 --> 00:50:58,490
that didn't help us to understand them

1155
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:01,310
at all you know despite thousands and

1156
00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:03,110
thousands of photographs that people

1157
00:51:09,370 --> 00:51:07,550
have so it's it's interesting to see

1158
00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:09,380
that we live in interesting times and

1159
00:51:14,980 --> 00:51:11,150
I'm hoping that we can learn more about

1160
00:51:16,690 --> 00:51:14,990
what they're about and our tools can

1161
00:51:19,630 --> 00:51:16,700
help us I guess if you would get the

1162
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:19,640
data to do science if you would well one

1163
00:51:26,980 --> 00:51:22,250
possible workaround that's been put out

1164
00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:26,990
there by dr. Q BRE is

1165
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:29,990
the Alcubierre e bubble and basically

1166
00:51:35,050 --> 00:51:32,750
that might be a workaround for the space

1167
00:51:38,260 --> 00:51:35,060
time travel and the g-force problem and

1168
00:51:40,540 --> 00:51:38,270
things like that but according him the

1169
00:51:42,010 --> 00:51:40,550
basic idea can be more easily understood

1170
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:42,020
if we think for a moment in the

1171
00:51:46,510 --> 00:51:43,970
inflationary phase of the early universe

1172
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:46,520
and consider the relative speed of

1173
00:51:52,210 --> 00:51:49,730
separation of two comoving observers it

1174
00:51:54,430 --> 00:51:52,220
is easy to convince oneself that if we

1175
00:51:57,329 --> 00:51:54,440
define this relative speed as the rate

1176
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:57,339
of change over our CB as the

1177
00:52:03,299 --> 00:52:00,160
change of proper spatial distance over

1178
00:52:05,219 --> 00:52:03,309
proper time we will obtain a value that

1179
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:05,229
is much larger than the speed of light

1180
00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:07,450
now this doesn't mean that our observers

1181
00:52:11,849 --> 00:52:09,430
will be traveling faster than light they

1182
00:52:13,979 --> 00:52:11,859
always move inside there look local

1183
00:52:16,499 --> 00:52:13,989
light cones the enormous speed of a

1184
00:52:19,950 --> 00:52:16,509
separation comes from the expansion of

1185
00:52:22,759 --> 00:52:19,960
space-time itself and just throwing that

1186
00:52:26,370 --> 00:52:22,769
out there is a possible explanation for

1187
00:52:29,459 --> 00:52:26,380
traveling great distances in time and

1188
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:29,469
space traveling you know we're not

1189
00:52:35,279 --> 00:52:32,650
having g-forces have any impact on some

1190
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:35,289
kind of a living pilot any thoughts on

1191
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:39,249
all that I suggested once it may be some

1192
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:42,249
of our images such as possibly with

1193
00:52:49,799 --> 00:52:45,849
laser or something rather than real

1194
00:52:52,650 --> 00:52:49,809
objects yeah there's a little there's

1195
00:52:55,950 --> 00:52:52,660
been speculation about the link like

1196
00:52:59,219 --> 00:52:55,960
what you're saying arena is that there's

1197
00:53:01,499 --> 00:52:59,229
some sort of like guess projection or

1198
00:53:04,620 --> 00:53:01,509
something like a holographic you would

1199
00:53:06,660 --> 00:53:04,630
our greatness tremendous energy that

1200
00:53:08,579 --> 00:53:06,670
would be how a case would be needed as

1201
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:08,589
well to be able to do that but yet you

1202
00:53:12,539 --> 00:53:10,569
get picked up on radar to at least in

1203
00:53:15,989 --> 00:53:12,549
some places yeah because they would have

1204
00:53:18,269 --> 00:53:15,999
there there also means some objects are

1205
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:18,279
picked up on radar some are not um and

1206
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,890
you know I'll come back to this because

1207
00:53:23,940 --> 00:53:22,960
as I've given presentations over the

1208
00:53:25,890 --> 00:53:23,950
years I cover all the different

1209
00:53:27,870 --> 00:53:25,900
hypotheses then I come down to the one

1210
00:53:29,549 --> 00:53:27,880
where it's it's a hybrid it's a mixture

1211
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:29,559
of all of them I mean they're we don't

1212
00:53:33,870 --> 00:53:31,930
know but there could be time-travel

1213
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:33,880
mixed in with all these other things I

1214
00:53:39,630 --> 00:53:36,729
mean the beings don't look alike you

1215
00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:39,640
know the craft necessarily are a little

1216
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,160
bit different in terms of their

1217
00:53:46,289 --> 00:53:43,599
structures and how they look and we

1218
00:53:49,380 --> 00:53:46,299
don't some disappear and appear out of

1219
00:53:51,049 --> 00:53:49,390
nowhere is that cloaking or is that

1220
00:53:54,059 --> 00:53:51,059
something where they're moving through

1221
00:53:58,410 --> 00:53:54,069
again time and space or manipulating it

1222
00:54:00,569 --> 00:53:58,420
in some way it's just we get into the

1223
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:00,579
point where it's like how do we think

1224
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:02,710
then you know you have landings and then

1225
00:54:07,709 --> 00:54:05,170
you have impacts to the landings and I'm

1226
00:54:11,310 --> 00:54:07,719
sad to see that we lost Ted Phillips

1227
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:11,320
here with the past week he had document

1228
00:54:16,890 --> 00:54:14,770
over 4,000 cases of of landings that

1229
00:54:20,850 --> 00:54:16,900
have happened more physical evidence was

1230
00:54:23,220 --> 00:54:20,860
present but I mean so you have a mixture

1231
00:54:27,210 --> 00:54:23,230
of both physical objects and sometimes

1232
00:54:27,810 --> 00:54:27,220
not physical objects and what does that

1233
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:27,820
mean

1234
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:32,770
I don't know how do we all feel about

1235
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:34,930
because talking about the specific nuts

1236
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,450
and bolts of the actual craft I think

1237
00:54:42,570 --> 00:54:40,000
has one thing and and Mike fully respect

1238
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:42,580
your your work and and figuring that

1239
00:54:47,220 --> 00:54:44,650
stuff out but on the aliens themselves

1240
00:54:49,470 --> 00:54:47,230
the actual you know contact that people

1241
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:49,480
have had and and as well you know

1242
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:51,910
everything like the the actual being

1243
00:54:55,620 --> 00:54:53,530
taking on board and seen all the

1244
00:54:58,410 --> 00:54:55,630
different types of aliens everything

1245
00:55:01,200 --> 00:54:58,420
from the greys to the Nordics and and

1246
00:55:04,770 --> 00:55:01,210
you know everything that goes in between

1247
00:55:06,810 --> 00:55:04,780
there how do we relate all of that and

1248
00:55:09,690 --> 00:55:06,820
all the technical stuff as well is that

1249
00:55:12,030 --> 00:55:09,700
something that any of you actually put

1250
00:55:16,290 --> 00:55:12,040
time and thought into as well and you're

1251
00:55:22,620 --> 00:55:16,300
in your studies they can make us see

1252
00:55:25,530 --> 00:55:22,630
anything they want us to see dr. masters

1253
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:25,540
you still with us yeah I just I was

1254
00:55:29,470 --> 00:55:27,310
trying to back away for a little bit

1255
00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:29,480
there so that's get a little too talky

1256
00:55:39,740 --> 00:55:36,840
it's interesting Mike because that's one

1257
00:55:44,430 --> 00:55:39,750
part of the book that I really loved

1258
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:44,440
will you talk about anal probes and that

1259
00:55:59,010 --> 00:55:49,930
came out wrong but in the picture book

1260
00:56:00,960 --> 00:55:59,020
the original draft but the part that I

1261
00:56:04,350 --> 00:56:00,970
really like of that is the fact that you

1262
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:04,360
go into the the point that you know we

1263
00:56:10,110 --> 00:56:06,370
are coming back from the future and we

1264
00:56:12,510 --> 00:56:10,120
need to do some kind of analysis of the

1265
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:12,520
human body and everything from our

1266
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:14,970
digestive system and what have you that

1267
00:56:19,770 --> 00:56:17,650
in this current day right now one of the

1268
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:19,780
best ways that we can figure that out

1269
00:56:23,790 --> 00:56:22,000
and even when we find archaeological

1270
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:23,800
sites where there are mummies and

1271
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:24,410
what-have-you

1272
00:56:28,330 --> 00:56:26,210
animals that we need to look at the very

1273
00:56:31,210 --> 00:56:28,340
first thing we do is go for the feces

1274
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:31,220
and look at what bacteria was or is in

1275
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:32,690
the feces and what have you so it makes

1276
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:33,890
a lot of sense

1277
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:38,210
all of a sudden these you know a neural

1278
00:56:41,530 --> 00:56:39,770
probes are there for a reason rather

1279
00:56:42,490 --> 00:56:41,540
than just the aliens come in and have

1280
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:42,500
good luck

1281
00:56:48,010 --> 00:56:45,650
I was recently in LA and I met with a

1282
00:56:50,110 --> 00:56:48,020
producer who's who was interested in

1283
00:56:52,810 --> 00:56:50,120
this and had been anally probed as a

1284
00:56:55,290 --> 00:56:52,820
young child for a long time and kept

1285
00:56:57,610 --> 00:56:55,300
asking his parents as he got older like

1286
00:57:00,160 --> 00:56:57,620
mom what was with all the butt stuff

1287
00:57:01,540 --> 00:57:00,170
when I was a kid and and she's like I

1288
00:57:02,830 --> 00:57:01,550
have no idea what you're talking about

1289
00:57:05,170 --> 00:57:02,840
but that's something that really

1290
00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:05,180
impacted him is just being violated in

1291
00:57:08,770 --> 00:57:06,950
that way because anybody sticking

1292
00:57:11,260 --> 00:57:08,780
something in your bum is definitely

1293
00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:11,270
gonna shock you and make you feel

1294
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:13,940
violated but yeah he to reading the book

1295
00:57:18,220 --> 00:57:15,890
he was like you know if that's the case

1296
00:57:20,110 --> 00:57:18,230
if it is us they're collecting data it

1297
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:20,120
still sucks but I feel a little bit

1298
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:22,490
better about it I guess um but you're

1299
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:24,310
right like when we find coprolites just

1300
00:57:29,590 --> 00:57:27,170
preserve turds for lack of a better word

1301
00:57:30,790 --> 00:57:29,600
we learned so much from that information

1302
00:57:33,220 --> 00:57:30,800
that's that's how we know that

1303
00:57:35,260 --> 00:57:33,230
Neanderthals consumed upwards of 7,000

1304
00:57:38,050 --> 00:57:35,270
calories per day of mostly mean is

1305
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:38,060
because we broke down the chemical

1306
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:40,490
composition of their poop and yeah

1307
00:57:43,870 --> 00:57:42,410
there's many things about the phenomenon

1308
00:57:45,730 --> 00:57:43,880
that are like that and I would

1309
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:45,740
definitely agree with rich too that I

1310
00:57:49,420 --> 00:57:48,050
tell my students this all the time when

1311
00:57:51,330 --> 00:57:49,430
we were looking at various theories

1312
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:51,340
about for instance the Out of Africa

1313
00:57:55,690 --> 00:57:53,090
hypothesis or the multi-regional

1314
00:57:57,300 --> 00:57:55,700
hypothesis how we developed into

1315
00:57:59,740 --> 00:57:57,310
anatomically modern humans is that

1316
00:58:01,480 --> 00:57:59,750
anytime someone presents something as

1317
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:01,490
black or white it's almost always the

1318
00:58:06,550 --> 00:58:04,730
gray area in between and I think if this

1319
00:58:09,630 --> 00:58:06,560
phenomenon is the same thing I think as

1320
00:58:13,060 --> 00:58:09,640
as dr. Scott pointed out it's the the

1321
00:58:15,490 --> 00:58:13,070
images that they convey to us mentally

1322
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:15,500
telepathically I think there is probably

1323
00:58:20,260 --> 00:58:17,770
some likelihood of an extraterrestrial

1324
00:58:22,450 --> 00:58:20,270
presence in some capacity I think a lot

1325
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:22,460
of its AI obviously I think a lot of its

1326
00:58:26,830 --> 00:58:24,710
time travel in human evolution so we

1327
00:58:28,810 --> 00:58:26,840
should absolutely be considering all of

1328
00:58:30,490 --> 00:58:28,820
these things because we don't know and

1329
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:30,500
anybody that claims that they have all

1330
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:35,690
the answers is just full of [\h__\h] needs

1331
00:58:39,630 --> 00:58:36,910
to be probed

1332
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:39,640
yeah gosh should a probe I was just

1333
00:58:56,790 --> 00:58:41,050
reminded that I got my call for my

1334
00:58:58,920 --> 00:58:56,800
colonoscopy set up next month all right

1335
00:59:00,540 --> 00:58:58,930
getting back to the stealthy stuff and

1336
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:00,550
rich you work for the Defense Department

1337
00:59:05,010 --> 00:59:02,650
I think it's kind of interesting there

1338
00:59:07,770 --> 00:59:05,020
was a lot of talk obviously about the a

1339
00:59:10,980 --> 00:59:07,780
tip program getting 22 million dollars

1340
00:59:14,430 --> 00:59:10,990
over five years for their UFO study

1341
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:14,440
there was a study commissioned by the US

1342
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:18,810
Navy with a Duke University to study and

1343
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:21,250
cephalopods and their ability which is

1344
00:59:26,070 --> 00:59:24,010
really uncanny I advise that anybody go

1345
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:26,080
and go check out some YouTube videos and

1346
00:59:31,470 --> 00:59:28,330
you see these critters in action where

1347
00:59:33,090 --> 00:59:31,480
they can they camouflage incredibly well

1348
00:59:37,650 --> 00:59:33,100
they can actually look at their

1349
00:59:40,110 --> 00:59:37,660
surroundings and they've got dies within

1350
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:40,120
their skin these little sacs and they

1351
00:59:43,890 --> 00:59:41,650
move it around and they can literally

1352
00:59:46,590 --> 00:59:43,900
within a matter of seconds literally

1353
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:46,600
copy the background in their natural

1354
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:51,040
camouflage is absolutely uncanny and and

1355
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:54,010
also there's another example with the

1356
00:59:59,310 --> 00:59:56,970
dolphins they've got a separate organ

1357
01:00:02,100 --> 00:59:59,320
where they can actually shoot out these

1358
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:02,110
sound waves and they can see potential

1359
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:04,510
food that's hiding underneath the sand

1360
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:07,090
and you know on the ocean floor I think

1361
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:10,960
that's really amazing capability and dr.

1362
01:00:15,540 --> 01:00:12,880
masters let me ask you about this I mean

1363
01:00:18,540 --> 01:00:15,550
what do you think of all that and what

1364
01:00:21,060 --> 01:00:18,550
do you think is possible as could can

1365
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:21,070
humans develop but you know an extra

1366
01:00:26,940 --> 01:00:23,130
organ or something along those lines to

1367
01:00:28,980 --> 01:00:26,950
you know improve their psychic ability

1368
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:28,990
for example something like that is that

1369
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:32,290
kind of thing possible yeah I think it's

1370
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:33,910
unfortunate too that Reese wasn't able

1371
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:35,530
to link up because I've I've heard him

1372
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:40,210
talk about the the octopi a lot and you

1373
01:00:46,890 --> 01:00:42,160
guys Leon have talked about that on your

1374
01:00:49,390 --> 01:00:46,900
show quite a few times there's a lot of

1375
01:00:51,970 --> 01:00:49,400
theories out there that they

1376
01:00:53,710 --> 01:00:51,980
truly aliens living amongst us that I

1377
01:00:57,610 --> 01:00:53,720
mean there's people that go as far as

1378
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:57,620
explain that the only way that you can

1379
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:01,040
explain how cephalopods actually got

1380
01:01:06,190 --> 01:01:03,170
here on earth is through some kind of

1381
01:01:09,070 --> 01:01:06,200
meteors you know some organism that came

1382
01:01:11,470 --> 01:01:09,080
from outer space because it's just

1383
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:11,480
really hard to prove their lineage back

1384
01:01:15,220 --> 01:01:13,850
through through time through fossils and

1385
01:01:17,050 --> 01:01:15,230
what-have-you sake they just turned up

1386
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:17,060
one day with these incredible abilities

1387
01:01:25,330 --> 01:01:21,200
that nobody else has you know they're

1388
01:01:27,790 --> 01:01:25,340
incredibly smart yeah and their DNA is

1389
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:27,800
really divergent from our own and and

1390
01:01:31,870 --> 01:01:29,090
yeah these abilities that they haven't

1391
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:31,880
and we could absolutely develop things

1392
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:33,290
and coming back to what we were talking

1393
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:34,850
about earlier with the question of

1394
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:37,070
whether this telepathic ability is is

1395
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:39,680
some sort of brain to brain interface or

1396
01:01:46,330 --> 01:01:42,110
it's just a conscious connection and an

1397
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:46,340
energy exchange if there is a part of

1398
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:48,770
our brain that allows us to do that it

1399
01:01:53,170 --> 01:01:51,680
likely already exists in our and as part

1400
01:01:56,860 --> 01:01:53,180
of our cerebrum most likely in our

1401
01:02:00,760 --> 01:01:56,870
neocortex that just develops further to

1402
01:02:03,850 --> 01:02:00,770
accommodate that ability but but yeah

1403
01:02:06,970 --> 01:02:03,860
there there are other organs that wax

1404
01:02:08,770 --> 01:02:06,980
and wane they you know we're probably

1405
01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:08,780
not likely in the near future at least

1406
01:02:13,810 --> 01:02:10,910
to just all of a sudden sprout some new

1407
01:02:16,420 --> 01:02:13,820
organ especially because a mutation that

1408
01:02:18,580 --> 01:02:16,430
would have to take place for that to

1409
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:18,590
happen wouldn't necessarily be selected

1410
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:20,930
for since we don't have natural

1411
01:02:25,570 --> 01:02:23,090
selection in the same sense we're more

1412
01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:25,580
or less just this giant interbreeding

1413
01:02:30,430 --> 01:02:28,640
genetic drift population where we're not

1414
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,440
selecting for certain traits or

1415
01:02:35,410 --> 01:02:32,480
selecting against certain traits in the

1416
01:02:38,170 --> 01:02:35,420
same way but there's absolutely the

1417
01:02:40,180 --> 01:02:38,180
possibility that specific organs that we

1418
01:02:42,670 --> 01:02:40,190
have now could be repurposed or could be

1419
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:42,680
expanded in order to facilitate some of

1420
01:02:50,410 --> 01:02:46,880
these abilities well we do experiments

1421
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:50,420
on animals where we effect particularly

1422
01:02:56,340 --> 01:02:52,610
put electrodes in and affect particular

1423
01:02:58,900 --> 01:02:56,350
brain cells and things happen and to

1424
01:03:03,160 --> 01:02:58,910
things that are advanced our brain may

1425
01:03:06,849 --> 01:03:03,170
be just as simple as other brains looked

1426
01:03:11,260 --> 01:03:06,859
it's from you know smaller animals with

1427
01:03:13,030 --> 01:03:11,270
smaller brains yeah absolutely and if we

1428
01:03:16,569 --> 01:03:13,040
can manipulate them I think I talked

1429
01:03:19,030 --> 01:03:16,579
about one study in my book about a dolls

1430
01:03:22,210 --> 01:03:19,040
Raleigh rat or something where we're

1431
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:22,220
able to make it move its tail with us

1432
01:03:28,270 --> 01:03:25,250
thinking about it we collect in think

1433
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:28,280
what's it called encephalo gram EEG and

1434
01:03:32,609 --> 01:03:30,170
then the information that comes out of

1435
01:03:35,740 --> 01:03:32,619
that is sent through a third party

1436
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:35,750
medium and then causes that rat to move

1437
01:03:39,339 --> 01:03:37,970
it sit still and obviously if we're

1438
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:39,349
talking about these beans that are far

1439
01:03:42,970 --> 01:03:40,880
more advanced than us in the distant

1440
01:03:45,970 --> 01:03:42,980
future if we're doing these things now

1441
01:03:47,319 --> 01:03:45,980
in a very very primitive form it's quite

1442
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:47,329
possible that in the distant future

1443
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:50,510
we'll have developed that technology to

1444
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:53,569
the extent that we can manipulate their

1445
01:03:57,339 --> 01:03:55,609
brains will be our brains I guess in

1446
01:04:01,150 --> 01:03:57,349
this context in all of these ways that

1447
01:04:03,730 --> 01:04:01,160
we we see today and another theory

1448
01:04:07,299 --> 01:04:03,740
regarding a potential interstellar

1449
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:07,309
travel or time travel going that back

1450
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:10,010
and forth is the concept of wormholes

1451
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:13,849
and I was a traversable wormholes where

1452
01:04:18,460 --> 01:04:16,640
we can apparently jump into the throat

1453
01:04:20,859 --> 01:04:18,470
of a wormhole one end and not come out

1454
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:20,869
the other end maybe in a different part

1455
01:04:25,150 --> 01:04:23,210
of the galaxy or in roughly the same

1456
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:25,160
neighborhood within the galaxy but in a

1457
01:04:31,620 --> 01:04:27,170
different time and I was wondering if

1458
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:34,660
think that that goes part and parcel

1459
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:38,000
with the AI the Alcubierre drive I think

1460
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:39,530
that the idea that was that you're

1461
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:43,130
manipulating the forward motion of the

1462
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:45,680
craft by basically creating a wormhole

1463
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:48,290
in front of the craft if I if I'm

1464
01:04:52,349 --> 01:04:49,970
correct about that I recall a

1465
01:04:58,539 --> 01:04:52,359
presentation that dr. Eric Davis gave

1466
01:05:01,599 --> 01:04:58,549
back in 2013 in MUFON and it was it was

1467
01:05:05,020 --> 01:05:01,609
talking about you having a basically a

1468
01:05:07,870 --> 01:05:05,030
craft that would use a Alcubierre drive

1469
01:05:11,049 --> 01:05:07,880
and you know altering space in front of

1470
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:11,059
it and then popping through that through

1471
01:05:16,750 --> 01:05:12,890
a wormhole

1472
01:05:18,850 --> 01:05:16,760
and then being able to get to the other

1473
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:18,860
side of the universe if you would or in

1474
01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:22,010
a different even time but again it very

1475
01:05:26,530 --> 01:05:23,990
speculative I mean I don't know that we

1476
01:05:28,570 --> 01:05:26,540
got it or anywhere staring something

1477
01:05:30,550 --> 01:05:28,580
like that it's just all hypothetical

1478
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:30,560
well yeah yeah that's that's what we're

1479
01:05:36,580 --> 01:05:33,850
here for basically yeah and so you know

1480
01:05:39,970 --> 01:05:36,590
concepts are out there like left and

1481
01:05:42,450 --> 01:05:39,980
right in terms of propulsion systems and

1482
01:05:48,220 --> 01:05:42,460
ability to manipulate the space-time

1483
01:05:50,620 --> 01:05:48,230
metric if you would the there I know

1484
01:05:54,370 --> 01:05:50,630
that how put off and then we're working

1485
01:05:58,510 --> 01:05:54,380
on the what they called the polarizable

1486
01:06:02,440 --> 01:05:58,520
vacuum around a craft or an object and

1487
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:02,450
the you it's kind of consistent with

1488
01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:07,730
that patent that Salvator paiace guess

1489
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:10,310
as they say his name from the Navy had

1490
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:13,850
published with the patents that he put

1491
01:06:18,820 --> 01:06:16,160
out that looked like the the dick tack

1492
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:18,830
so I they're the whole concept there was

1493
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:21,200
again some sort of a means of being able

1494
01:06:29,410 --> 01:06:25,370
to create if you would like a bubble if

1495
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:29,420
you would around the craft you're in and

1496
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:32,450
then somehow be able to manipulate the

1497
01:06:39,490 --> 01:06:36,410
space-time metric if you would they're

1498
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:39,500
calling that and then you're able to

1499
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:41,450
slip stream through of not having a kind

1500
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:45,760
of mass and there's all kinds of like

1501
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:49,610
ideas one of my favorite books growing

1502
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:52,400
up was was won by Kip Thorne he's a

1503
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:55,250
physicist I think he was it Caltech or

1504
01:06:59,560 --> 01:06:57,290
somewhere in California but he just won

1505
01:07:02,110 --> 01:06:59,570
a Nobel Prize for his work in detecting

1506
01:07:04,900 --> 01:07:02,120
gravity waves the name of the book was

1507
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:04,910
black holes and time warps and he's sort

1508
01:07:09,940 --> 01:07:07,760
of the main proponent of of the wormhole

1509
01:07:12,190 --> 01:07:09,950
as a means with which to traverse vast

1510
01:07:14,500 --> 01:07:12,200
distances and he was mostly looking at

1511
01:07:18,070 --> 01:07:14,510
it in this context and he was

1512
01:07:21,310 --> 01:07:18,080
commissioned as a consultant for contact

1513
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:21,320
Carl Sagan's book and then film and and

1514
01:07:26,650 --> 01:07:23,570
he points out a number of problems with

1515
01:07:29,110 --> 01:07:26,660
it mostly related to keeping it open

1516
01:07:31,150 --> 01:07:29,120
a massive gravitational forces that

1517
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:31,160
would be sucking everything and the

1518
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:33,920
tidal forces that would rip you apart if

1519
01:07:38,740 --> 01:07:35,930
it takes a singularity to create this

1520
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:38,750
thing how you pass through an infinitely

1521
01:07:44,260 --> 01:07:42,770
dense singularity and and all of the the

1522
01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:44,270
problems that would go along with that

1523
01:07:48,010 --> 01:07:46,310
and then he and his grad students

1524
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:48,020
proposed what what they referred to as

1525
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:50,510
exotic matter as a way of propping these

1526
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:52,400
open so it's it's speculative it's

1527
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:54,530
theoretical but if if we were able to

1528
01:07:59,380 --> 01:07:57,530
find some force that repelled that

1529
01:08:01,480 --> 01:07:59,390
constrictive force of gravity to keep

1530
01:08:03,220 --> 01:08:01,490
the wormhole open in these two different

1531
01:08:07,390 --> 01:08:03,230
places then potentially we could use

1532
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:07,400
that for interstellar travel I do know

1533
01:08:12,430 --> 01:08:10,250
that that Sagan and that Thorne did

1534
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:12,440
communicate a bit and I did read an

1535
01:08:16,060 --> 01:08:14,330
interview with Thorne where he had de

1536
01:08:18,460 --> 01:08:16,070
mentioned that the one thing that Sagan

1537
01:08:21,850 --> 01:08:18,470
brought up to him was that while it's

1538
01:08:23,830 --> 01:08:21,860
important to try to figure out what is

1539
01:08:26,370 --> 01:08:23,840
possible for the most advanced

1540
01:08:30,580 --> 01:08:26,380
civilization it's also important to

1541
01:08:33,790 --> 01:08:30,590
consider what is impossible even for the

1542
01:08:36,370 --> 01:08:33,800
most advanced civilization and I think

1543
01:08:38,590 --> 01:08:36,380
that's a really interesting idea some

1544
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:38,600
other ideas have gotten out there doctor

1545
01:08:44,740 --> 01:08:40,930
Freeman Dyson had recently passed away

1546
01:08:47,050 --> 01:08:44,750
earlier rich you had mentioned that Ted

1547
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:47,060
Phillips but dr. Dyson passed away

1548
01:08:51,700 --> 01:08:48,560
within the last couple of weeks or so

1549
01:08:55,090 --> 01:08:51,710
and he was famous for his Dyson Sphere

1550
01:08:57,250 --> 01:08:55,100
idea and some of those more advanced

1551
01:08:59,350 --> 01:08:57,260
ideas anyone have any thoughts on those

1552
01:09:00,970 --> 01:08:59,360
like that the Dyson Sphere and some of

1553
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:00,980
the others I know that was it was

1554
01:09:06,010 --> 01:09:03,410
brought up that there was at least a

1555
01:09:08,230 --> 01:09:06,020
possibility that tabbies star might be a

1556
01:09:11,020 --> 01:09:08,240
evidence of a Dyson Sphere that didn't

1557
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:11,030
prove to be the case but that is an idea

1558
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:12,410
that has at least gotten some traction

1559
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:16,130
in serious scientific circles so just

1560
01:09:23,050 --> 01:09:19,250
super quickly back to the before we move

1561
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:23,060
on from the wormhole concept I read

1562
01:09:30,850 --> 01:09:27,290
recently that a Harvard physicist Daniel

1563
01:09:33,310 --> 01:09:30,860
Jeffrey's I think was actually proved

1564
01:09:36,370 --> 01:09:33,320
that you can actually be plausible for

1565
01:09:38,830 --> 01:09:36,380
men to make a wormhole but in the in the

1566
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:38,840
same sentence he also proved through

1567
01:09:42,249 --> 01:09:39,650
that that

1568
01:09:44,289 --> 01:09:42,259
wormhole would actually be a lot slower

1569
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:44,299
to go through than just going there

1570
01:09:54,099 --> 01:09:51,650
directly undone himself but yeah but the

1571
01:09:56,970 --> 01:09:54,109
the spirit I haven't heard much I'd love

1572
01:10:01,540 --> 01:10:00,070
well I yeah I would say within the last

1573
01:10:03,459 --> 01:10:01,550
couple of years I there is something

1574
01:10:07,410 --> 01:10:03,469
called cabby star you could search that

1575
01:10:10,419 --> 01:10:07,420
out pretty easily and where they had

1576
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:10,429
discovered a star that was a dimming on

1577
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:13,730
a consistent basis and and now they seem

1578
01:10:18,220 --> 01:10:15,650
to be of the opinion after some closer

1579
01:10:21,939 --> 01:10:18,230
observation that it was in fact just

1580
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:21,949
some some stellar dust going around the

1581
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:23,690
star that was causing that but at least

1582
01:10:28,060 --> 01:10:25,130
initially they thought that there was a

1583
01:10:31,630 --> 01:10:28,070
chance that it might be evidence of a

1584
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:31,640
Dyson Sphere well they've been joking

1585
01:10:38,380 --> 01:10:34,880
around about the star what they call

1586
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:38,390
Betelgeuse and Ryan that it's been

1587
01:10:45,130 --> 01:10:43,250
varying in light intensity and that some

1588
01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:45,140
people joke maybe that's a Dyson Sphere

1589
01:10:51,550 --> 01:10:48,620
too and also that it might be going

1590
01:10:54,610 --> 01:10:51,560
supernova yeah they've said that too

1591
01:10:56,410 --> 01:10:54,620
it's it's been variable all along but I

1592
01:10:58,260 --> 01:10:56,420
guess it's been varying more than it

1593
01:11:02,350 --> 01:10:58,270
usually does

1594
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:02,360
recently definitely something to keep an

1595
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:04,010
eye on if it does go supernova but we

1596
01:11:08,020 --> 01:11:05,840
don't we don't see those too often so

1597
01:11:09,939 --> 01:11:08,030
that would be that would be a real

1598
01:11:12,669 --> 01:11:09,949
interesting astronomical experience if

1599
01:11:23,860 --> 01:11:12,679
it happens hmm it's a pretty cool star

1600
01:11:25,090 --> 01:11:23,870
too and it's very big yeah you wouldn't

1601
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:25,100
want to be in the neighborhood when that

1602
01:11:31,570 --> 01:11:26,690
goes off if it does there are a lot of

1603
01:11:34,649 --> 01:11:31,580
times and moving along another theory

1604
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:34,659
that has gotten some increasing

1605
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,510
attention would be the the simulation

1606
01:11:42,580 --> 01:11:40,400
theory this this one goes a little bit

1607
01:11:44,830 --> 01:11:42,590
that closer to our you know our our very

1608
01:11:47,620 --> 01:11:44,840
existence I personally find it kind of

1609
01:11:50,410 --> 01:11:47,630
fascinating and it would they would seem

1610
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:50,420
to explain all the weird phenomena that

1611
01:11:55,330 --> 01:11:52,250
go on because all

1612
01:11:58,840 --> 01:11:55,340
really is at its core is just you know

1613
01:12:01,780 --> 01:11:58,850
coders who want to insert a few Easter

1614
01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:01,790
eggs in our existence just to drive us

1615
01:12:06,190 --> 01:12:03,830
nuts I suppose and see what the reaction

1616
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:06,200
is but that one's gotten more attention

1617
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:08,930
and I wonder if anyone has any thoughts

1618
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:13,850
on all that this theory is second only

1619
01:12:21,790 --> 01:12:18,710
to my favorite Mike P masters theory of

1620
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:21,800
time travel and the fact that it is just

1621
01:12:27,010 --> 01:12:24,650
it explains so much more than even UFOs

1622
01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:27,020
you APs and aliens it could explain

1623
01:12:33,970 --> 01:12:31,310
everything from ghosts to miracles to

1624
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:33,980
you know to the everything in the fact

1625
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:36,770
that if this is all just a simulation

1626
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:38,170
and if this is just the matrix

1627
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:41,930
effectively you know and I love the fact

1628
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:45,050
that the the Bank of America actually

1629
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:47,600
did a study to try and prove whether

1630
01:12:51,820 --> 01:12:49,370
were in the matrix and they came out I

1631
01:12:53,860 --> 01:12:51,830
think it was over 50% chance of us

1632
01:12:57,310 --> 01:12:53,870
living in the matrix purely by the fact

1633
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,320
that if there is only one original run

1634
01:13:04,060 --> 01:13:00,080
of life and then many multiple millions

1635
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:04,070
of reruns the the fact that we think

1636
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:07,450
that we are in the very first original

1637
01:13:13,090 --> 01:13:10,400
concept if you like before all of the

1638
01:13:15,610 --> 01:13:13,100
multiple reruns is actually quite naive

1639
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:15,620
it's actually far more likely that we're

1640
01:13:22,420 --> 01:13:19,370
statistically part of a re-run of a

1641
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:22,430
simulation and and the fact that they

1642
01:13:27,970 --> 01:13:24,770
even bothered to do that study is it

1643
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:27,980
fascinates me but the thing that I loved

1644
01:13:34,690 --> 01:13:30,650
about it is the the fact that it's you

1645
01:13:38,860 --> 01:13:34,700
know it's it's you know it explains so

1646
01:13:41,290 --> 01:13:38,870
many different strange things yeah and I

1647
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:41,300
think you know it's also possible as

1648
01:13:45,670 --> 01:13:43,850
much as I'm disappointed to admit it we

1649
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:45,680
might not just be in a simulation but we

1650
01:13:49,630 --> 01:13:48,170
might just be a beta test well I'd like

1651
01:13:57,190 --> 01:13:49,640
to get the coder who came up with

1652
01:13:58,750 --> 01:13:57,200
kroehner virus and anal probes perfectly

1653
01:14:01,090 --> 01:13:58,760
great dinner party the other night by

1654
01:14:03,700 --> 01:14:01,100
talking about this theory

1655
01:14:05,370 --> 01:14:03,710
lots of rolling eyes all around me but I

1656
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:05,380
didn't care

1657
01:14:09,420 --> 01:14:07,840
and and I pointed out of fact that they

1658
01:14:12,510 --> 01:14:09,430
said yeah well then why do so many bad

1659
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:12,520
things happen and my point was when you

1660
01:14:17,610 --> 01:14:15,130
go to Disneyland which in itself is kind

1661
01:14:19,710 --> 01:14:17,620
of a simulation of life right you're

1662
01:14:21,060 --> 01:14:19,720
going there together to escape real life

1663
01:14:23,790 --> 01:14:21,070
you're going because you want everything

1664
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:23,800
to be great everything's not lovely

1665
01:14:28,740 --> 01:14:25,930
flowers and butterflies

1666
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:28,750
there's terrifying rides and jump scares

1667
01:14:34,770 --> 01:14:31,210
and rollercoasters which make you feel

1668
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:34,780
like you're about to die they we pay to

1669
01:14:45,420 --> 01:14:39,520
have pain and fear inserted into us at

1670
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:45,430
the happiest place on earth if a coda

1671
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:47,920
sit now I'm about to put you in now

1672
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:49,810
you've got the option of leading a

1673
01:14:52,530 --> 01:14:51,040
lovely lovely

1674
01:14:54,780 --> 01:14:52,540
you know Little House on the Prairie

1675
01:14:57,810 --> 01:14:54,790
life here with nothing going wrong

1676
01:14:59,520 --> 01:14:57,820
beautiful existence all we can pit up a

1677
01:15:03,870 --> 01:14:59,530
little bit and put some weird [\h__\h] in

1678
01:15:05,490 --> 01:15:03,880
there like you'd be mental to just you

1679
01:15:08,430 --> 01:15:05,500
know not take a little bit of risk

1680
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:08,440
surely yeah that's a really good way of

1681
01:15:14,250 --> 01:15:10,690
looking at there like that well there's

1682
01:15:17,250 --> 01:15:14,260
no way to really prove that whether we

1683
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:17,260
are in reality or virtual reality

1684
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:19,090
because we'd have to get out if we're in

1685
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:21,370
virtual reality we'd have to get out of

1686
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:26,080
it to figure out what I mean that was

1687
01:15:29,580 --> 01:15:27,850
the premise behind the matrix that he

1688
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:29,590
got out and was like oh man this is

1689
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:32,170
terrible is like weird octopus robots

1690
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:36,730
attack yeah put me back in and what

1691
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:38,290
happened to me the other day which I'm

1692
01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:40,810
all the time this is revealing way too

1693
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:43,750
much but I'm all the time sort of like

1694
01:15:49,230 --> 01:15:46,000
on the hunt for reasons that we're in

1695
01:15:51,900 --> 01:15:49,240
the matrix and it just has a little

1696
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:51,910
hobby cyber hottie side aside hobby that

1697
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:54,970
is and the other day I was driving to

1698
01:16:01,500 --> 01:15:59,920
work and the radio was on and I had live

1699
01:16:04,110 --> 01:16:01,510
in New York stirred as many you know

1700
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:04,120
potholes and bumps and what-have-you and

1701
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:07,330
my car had a pretty sizeable bump and

1702
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:10,930
ice where the woman who was talking on

1703
01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:14,050
the radio at the time her voice jumped

1704
01:16:18,750 --> 01:16:16,510
at the exact same point as if she was in

1705
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:18,760
the car and she was disturbed

1706
01:16:23,010 --> 01:16:21,520
by the fact I went over a pothole and at

1707
01:16:25,260 --> 01:16:23,020
that moment I thought would it be

1708
01:16:28,350 --> 01:16:25,270
interesting if the coders forgot to put

1709
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:28,360
in the fact on that day that if somebody

1710
01:16:31,740 --> 01:16:30,130
is on the radio they don't get affected

1711
01:16:34,260 --> 01:16:31,750
by a speed bump but if somebody's in the

1712
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:34,270
car they do and this woman you know it

1713
01:16:39,210 --> 01:16:36,610
was affected by my speed bump purely

1714
01:16:46,650 --> 01:16:39,220
from a coding error so I think I proved

1715
01:16:48,570 --> 01:16:46,660
that guys when you look at the quantum

1716
01:16:51,030 --> 01:16:48,580
the quantum world as compared to the

1717
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:51,040
Newtonian world because yeah I keep

1718
01:16:55,950 --> 01:16:53,440
bumping into the Newtonian world kind of

1719
01:16:58,100 --> 01:16:55,960
constructed if I tried to think about

1720
01:17:00,540 --> 01:16:58,110
going through like packets of energy

1721
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:00,550
packets that are you know have no space

1722
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:02,290
and all those other stuff I'm doing like

1723
01:17:06,750 --> 01:17:03,910
well wait a minute that didn't hurt as

1724
01:17:08,580 --> 01:17:06,760
bad but I still live in a Newtonian

1725
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:08,590
world where I bumped my head and then

1726
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:13,120
doggone it hurts you know yeah I

1727
01:17:19,500 --> 01:17:15,760
appreciate I appreciate it rich thanks

1728
01:17:21,210 --> 01:17:19,510
for coming on again you take care it's

1729
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:21,220
great talking to everybody thanks for

1730
01:17:25,410 --> 01:17:23,530
having me on okay

1731
01:17:27,450 --> 01:17:25,420
dr. masters you have to step away for a

1732
01:17:28,650 --> 01:17:27,460
bit or because we're getting down to the

1733
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:28,660
point where I think we've covered

1734
01:17:36,140 --> 01:17:30,490
everything unless somebody else has

1735
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:38,730
would just like to reiterate something I

1736
01:17:45,300 --> 01:17:41,770
guess if I sure if I could be so brazen

1737
01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:45,310
as to do so that that I think there's a

1738
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:47,860
lot of unnecessary infighting and

1739
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:51,610
contention and and it's not necessarily

1740
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:53,440
I kind of expected it more for my

1741
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:54,970
academic colleagues when I published

1742
01:18:01,020 --> 01:17:57,760
this book but I found so much in the UFO

1743
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:01,030
community that's and I it was shocking

1744
01:18:04,290 --> 01:18:02,890
to me at first I've sort of come to

1745
01:18:06,090 --> 01:18:04,300
understand it more and it's the same

1746
01:18:08,670 --> 01:18:06,100
thing that exists within academia too

1747
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:08,680
but I think I think it's important that

1748
01:18:12,990 --> 01:18:11,290
we all maintain an open mind and look at

1749
01:18:16,050 --> 01:18:13,000
everything critically not just accept

1750
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:16,060
whatever is is forced upon us but but

1751
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:18,370
that were also cordial and collaborative

1752
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:20,290
with each other and aren't just at each

1753
01:18:24,690 --> 01:18:21,610
other's throats because we'll get a lot

1754
01:18:26,730 --> 01:18:24,700
farther and and we'll get more pushing

1755
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:26,740
in the mainstream I think as well if we

1756
01:18:30,540 --> 01:18:28,960
if we do and the show and what you did

1757
01:18:32,299 --> 01:18:30,550
here today is a great example of that

1758
01:18:34,309 --> 01:18:32,309
bringing people onto

1759
01:18:36,409 --> 01:18:34,319
talk about these things and get ideas

1760
01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:36,419
out there and and debate them in very

1761
01:18:41,779 --> 01:18:39,510
cordial ways yeah you know what happens

1762
01:18:44,659 --> 01:18:41,789
though doctor is that when things

1763
01:18:47,659 --> 01:18:44,669
weren't a little slow idle hands are

1764
01:18:50,509 --> 01:18:47,669
kind of the devil's workshop and then

1765
01:18:53,629 --> 01:18:50,519
that is a you know every now I've seen

1766
01:18:56,659 --> 01:18:53,639
it there you know it it it's not all a

1767
01:18:58,879 --> 01:18:56,669
flat line you know and things get busy

1768
01:19:01,339 --> 01:18:58,889
and then things slow up and then when

1769
01:19:03,069 --> 01:19:01,349
things do slow up people tend to start

1770
01:19:05,509 --> 01:19:03,079
picking at each other a little bit and

1771
01:19:08,299 --> 01:19:05,519
that has happened we've even seen it

1772
01:19:11,299 --> 01:19:08,309
over the last two two-and-a-half years

1773
01:19:13,579 --> 01:19:11,309
or so that kind of thing does happen you

1774
01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:13,589
know actually that was one of the ideas

1775
01:19:18,259 --> 01:19:15,510
that I had for putting together this

1776
01:19:19,549 --> 01:19:18,269
show you know sometimes rather than just

1777
01:19:22,549 --> 01:19:19,559
sitting around and picking each other

1778
01:19:24,139 --> 01:19:22,559
let's let's do something like this where

1779
01:19:26,659 --> 01:19:24,149
you know we're we're saying it upfront

1780
01:19:29,119 --> 01:19:26,669
we're just gonna speculate wildly we're

1781
01:19:32,270 --> 01:19:29,129
just going to kick around as many

1782
01:19:34,549 --> 01:19:32,280
different ideas as we can none of us

1783
01:19:36,889 --> 01:19:34,559
know a hundred percent for sure how

1784
01:19:38,979 --> 01:19:36,899
right or how wrong we are on any of this

1785
01:19:41,569 --> 01:19:38,989
stuff but let's just get on and

1786
01:19:44,119 --> 01:19:41,579
speculate as wildly as we can and kick

1787
01:19:48,259 --> 01:19:44,129
around as many out there ideas as we can

1788
01:19:49,699 --> 01:19:48,269
and let's let's just do that and keep

1789
01:19:51,679 --> 01:19:49,709
ourselves occupied with something

1790
01:19:54,500 --> 01:19:51,689
positive and then eventually you know

1791
01:19:57,199 --> 01:19:54,510
well we'll find out about more UFO cases

1792
01:19:59,419 --> 01:19:57,209
and we'll find out more about what the

1793
01:20:01,429 --> 01:19:59,429
government's doing about UFOs that stuff

1794
01:20:03,020 --> 01:20:01,439
is going to come out but I think we've

1795
01:20:04,579 --> 01:20:03,030
seen over the last couple years it's

1796
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:04,589
going to come out slowly and there were

1797
01:20:10,129 --> 01:20:07,050
gonna be some slow stretches and you're

1798
01:20:12,859 --> 01:20:10,139
just best off recognizing that and as

1799
01:20:14,540 --> 01:20:12,869
best you can kind of step away from the

1800
01:20:16,489 --> 01:20:14,550
kind of negativity that you're talking

1801
01:20:18,559 --> 01:20:16,499
about and you know I'm as guilty as

1802
01:20:21,259 --> 01:20:18,569
anybody else I get involved with it I

1803
01:20:23,419 --> 01:20:21,269
get into flame wars and arguments with

1804
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:23,429
people over this and that and what all

1805
01:20:28,129 --> 01:20:25,050
else fails I can always argue with my

1806
01:20:30,559 --> 01:20:28,139
co-host chant because you know we you

1807
01:20:34,819 --> 01:20:30,569
know that's all we do is argue basically

1808
01:20:36,679 --> 01:20:34,829
but that it's healthy yeah yeah well I'm

1809
01:20:39,770 --> 01:20:36,689
trying to get her loosen up but we want

1810
01:20:43,579 --> 01:20:39,780
our show to be as funny as the show that

1811
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:43,589
that that recently on do but I'm evident

1812
01:20:47,870 --> 01:20:46,170
I'm it's been a struggle get

1813
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:47,880
to loosen up on the show I do have her

1814
01:20:52,130 --> 01:20:50,010
insulting me constantly on Facebook now

1815
01:20:53,630 --> 01:20:52,140
so she's I've gotten her to that point I

1816
01:20:59,950 --> 01:20:53,640
just have to get her to loosen up a

1817
01:21:03,770 --> 01:20:59,960
little bit more on the show I'm sorry

1818
01:21:08,090 --> 01:21:03,780
just gonna say like it's the one thing I

1819
01:21:11,209 --> 01:21:08,100
have to add specifically to to Mike it

1820
01:21:14,060 --> 01:21:11,219
said to the wonderful dr. masters and

1821
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:14,070
the fact I think he's a genius not just

1822
01:21:18,380 --> 01:21:16,320
because he can pull together all of the

1823
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:18,390
science around us and put together such

1824
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:22,530
a fantastic you know case study and you

1825
01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:24,719
know thought-provoking book but he's a

1826
01:21:32,060 --> 01:21:27,960
genius because time is so gonna be on

1827
01:21:35,660 --> 01:21:32,070
his side because in the future if they

1828
01:21:37,550 --> 01:21:35,670
prove that time travel is possible and

1829
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:37,560
that we start going back in time they're

1830
01:21:41,390 --> 01:21:39,210
gonna look back and go who was the first

1831
01:21:43,490 --> 01:21:41,400
person who really published this idea

1832
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:43,500
and actually put this out there in a

1833
01:21:48,740 --> 01:21:46,530
very scientific way and he's going to be

1834
01:21:51,770 --> 01:21:48,750
the name that's remembered you know very

1835
01:21:53,570 --> 01:21:51,780
far into the future and if not if it's

1836
01:21:55,850 --> 01:21:53,580
never proven that time travel is

1837
01:21:57,380 --> 01:21:55,860
possible well that's never going to

1838
01:21:59,000 --> 01:21:57,390
happen is it because we're always going

1839
01:22:00,650 --> 01:21:59,010
to be wondering whether or not we can

1840
01:22:03,530 --> 01:22:00,660
time travel and whether or not science

1841
01:22:11,209 --> 01:22:03,540
as they say effectively Mike's never

1842
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:11,219
going to be proven wrong which to be a

1843
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:12,960
genius I would have had to consciously

1844
01:22:17,930 --> 01:22:16,290
consider that before doing but is the

1845
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:17,940
first time that's even crossed my mind

1846
01:22:22,669 --> 01:22:21,090
so or maybe he's already cracked

1847
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:22,679
time-travel he travelled into the future

1848
01:22:32,630 --> 01:22:30,919
the future I mean people always ask when

1849
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:32,640
what time period what you want to go

1850
01:22:36,919 --> 01:22:34,530
back to I say I'd screw the past I only

1851
01:22:38,330 --> 01:22:36,929
go to the future and see what happens

1852
01:22:38,959 --> 01:22:38,340
and the time that we don't know about

1853
01:22:41,780 --> 01:22:38,969
already

1854
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:41,790
I yeah I wouldn't mind going and

1855
01:22:47,209 --> 01:22:44,850
visiting myself as a you know eighth

1856
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:47,219
grader and give a few tips straighten

1857
01:22:58,250 --> 01:22:56,240
you know I can tell you that I'm pretty

1858
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:58,260
happy with where I'm at right now so I

1859
01:23:01,550 --> 01:22:59,520
can't complain too much

1860
01:23:03,650 --> 01:23:01,560
everything that went wrong who knows if

1861
01:23:06,050 --> 01:23:03,660
I can go back and fix it I might not be

1862
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:06,060
where I'm at so you know yeah I'm more

1863
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:09,690
philosophical well anyone else have

1864
01:23:19,340 --> 01:23:11,280
anything to add before we wrap things up

1865
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:19,350
I guess not yeah okay well let me thank

1866
01:23:23,530 --> 01:23:22,080
our guests for today dr. Irina Scott

1867
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:23,540
thanks so much for joining us again

1868
01:23:27,530 --> 01:23:25,530
thanks for having me

1869
01:23:29,930 --> 01:23:27,540
dr. masters thanks so much for joining

1870
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:29,940
us again absolute lot of fun for sure

1871
01:23:35,630 --> 01:23:34,290
let's thank Leon Kirk back for joining

1872
01:23:41,470 --> 01:23:35,640
us for the first time thank you very

1873
01:23:47,450 --> 01:23:45,410
for future opportunities no no no not at

1874
01:23:51,140 --> 01:23:47,460
all not at all absolutely I definitely

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appreciate the the humor and the great

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questions the great feedback and of

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course the one and only rich Hoffman who

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had to leave us a little early today

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sorry yep thanks for joining us folks so

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we will be back next week with who knows

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what and in the meantime you know just

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take advantage of that social distancing

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I think thanks everybody for joining us